Buck, you have to be realistic. Similar benign sounding bills under the guise of equal rights have already been passed in many counties and states. BC is just another notch in the LGBTQ belt.

I see David Marks is working hard on amendments to exclude religious organizations and schools and I applaud him for that. From what I can see, this bill will pass as is without David's hard work on this.

Now we have to make sure the Board of Ed. doesn't allow cross dressing on the job. That's the LGBTQs foot in the door to indoctrination. Although there is nothing in the bill that says ok to indoctrination, The LGBTQs have a system by which they get a bill like this passed & go from there. I've researched it & have documentation on it. The teacher, administrator, staffer or student cross dresses in school, the children ask why & get an explanation from them about sexual identity, they tell their parents, the parents get upset, go to the administration, the teacher brings in a lawyer the lobby group provides from their volunteer or paid staff, stands up for his/her legal rights, tolerance training is put in place with administration, faculty, staff, PTA, parents & children. After that, more instances are created by the cross dresser and INDOCTRINATION IS IN PLACE. Game over, children lost to this lifestyle & society as we know it is forever changed.

Anita -- oh, puh-LEEZE! "Indoctrination"? Whose Flavor-Aid have you been drinking, sweetie... the religious reicht's or the Koch-suckers'?

First, if a teacher or *anyone* for that matter is transitioning, my ignorant fool, they are NOT a cross-dresser! We have just as much right to work as an educator, just as we are in *every* economic scale and in *every* profession.

It's too bad that your petty prejudices are falling away like so many dead leaves in the fall, precious. Get used to it!

Marlene,
The mean, nasty name calling that you choose to waller in is a clear display of some kind of insecurity. I wish you well with that.
Please contribute a comment with as much substance as hate and maybe something positive will come of it... think before you spew.

I was surprised that Owen felt discriminated against. I think perhaps the real issue was a possible perception of dishonesty of the person who interviewed him by showing up as a male, but presenting a drivers license as a female.

First of all... this IS a civil right issue! Discrimination is discrimination, and the black community (especially the *conservatives*!) does NOT own the words or the movement of "civil rights"!!

Second, not knowing Owen's situation, he's probably not able to change the gender designation on his license until he's had surgery, which is an economic form of discrimination, or that there's no mechanism in place to change it yet.

Gender is between the *ears*, my darlings.... NOT the legs!

You most likely do not consider yourself a bigot I would imagine, but that's precisely what you are being. Would you rather children be taught about hate? Intolerance? and How to discriminate against a minority that you do not fully understand and/or identify with? People go off on these emotional tangents when transgender equal rights protections are compared with the Black Civil Rights movements of the 50's and 60's, but that is precisely what it is. To even deny the parallel is to dismiss further the authenticity and validity of transgender people to live without persecution, and the fact that of course they should have the same rights as every other citizen of this country of ours. After all, this is the United States of America, "The land of the free" is it not? Whether or not this is to do with skin color or gender is neither here nor there, the same denial of equal protections under the law are applying here, and that is something that's guaranteed everyone under the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution. Please do not let your personal phobia towards a group of people cloud your mind over what should be legal rights. If you are concerned about transgender issues, then please educate yourself. As FDR's saying goes, "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" and that still holds as true today as that day, 79 years ago, when FRD first uttered those very same worlds during his inaugural speech back on March 4, 1933.

Disgusting?? At a certain age they should be taught that. I had health class in 9th grade that went over reproductive organs and such. That was in 1998. I graduated High School in 2002. I'm now 27 and have a family of my own. While i admit i would be hesitant on my boys learning about that stuff before i'm ready to explain it i hardly consider Transgendered and homosexual individuals "disgusting". Bottom line is this depending on how old children are they already know about gay. If you feel the need to shelter them and teach them to be bigots like you we'll never be able to move beyond this as a society and a species.

You're so right Ken. See my reply to Buck Harmon. Go here to see the LGBT agenda. It's loaded with training sessions on how to accomplish it. They actually have training manuals on it. http://firstdonoharm7.blogspot.com/?z

Anita Schatz could you possibly give a link to something that actually has the training manual or a link to it?

Ken -- Sweetie, you remind me of the bigots who didn't want their kids exposed to *anything* that didn't glorify anyone but rich, white, Protestant men.

If you want some accurate info, head to:
Gay Lesbian & Straight Education Network: http://www.glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/all/home/index.html
National Center for Transgender Equality: http://transequality.org/
Gay-Straight Alliance network: http://gsanetwork.org/
Parents Friends and Family of Lesbians and Gays: http://www.pflag.org

There's tons more out there, and is about a billion more times accurate than the lies, filth, and perversion vomited by the hatemongers, bigotes, degenerates, and fearmongers of the Christian Taliban.

Michelle Gould here's the link to the manual step by step showing the LGBTQ youth how to get the LGBTQ in the curriculum. It's 52 pages. I created a bullet list to shorten it. I don't know how to post it here...it's a word do. If you can tell me how I'll get in here for you. http://transgenderlawcenter.org/pdf/beyond_the_binary.pdf

You also need to go here to read the LGBT agenda. It's the list of training sessions at the National Conference they held in Balto. as this bill was being introduced....some coincidence. One session was about the MD bill and another about, Now that we got the bill passed, what next? If you peruse the sessions, you'll pick up on how they gradually condition the adults of all faiths, get eyebrows raised in schools, just to make a stink, then have the LGBT lawyers called in, get tolerance training in place, then more and more and more until the school has a complete curriculum based on the LGBTs, with parental rights gone. Lots of links here. http://firstdonoharm7.blogspot.com/?z

When you click the last link, be sure to read the first post in the comment by howabouthis1. It tells you what CA is dealing with now. My question is, do we want this here? I sure don't. Let's see how much hateful name calling is going to come from this post. That's what they do...shout you down...or try to anyway.

re: my last comment to Michelle, that should be word doc, not do.

We disagree, oppression IS oppression. When any privileged group of people wants to deny access to any human right of any minority it needs to be addressed. Weather you want to call it "Civil Rights" or "Human Rights" or "Equal access to the law" you are making a semantics argument. ALL human being need to use a toilet. period. Self identity uses the word "self for a reason.

I must have been out the day they taught us in church to call people freaks. The real "freak" here is you Paul - your unnatural hate towards people is the real sickness.

You people had your say, an ironically, the religiously-based hate you spew has gained more supporters for the bill than detractors - keep it up, we "free thinkers" are winning thanks to people like you!!!

This bill is about taking rights from parents to raise their children as they see fit. It's government control at it's worst. I always thought the BC Council's job was to work on budgets, roads, community concerns of a physical nature, not to get into people's religious and moral beliefs and tell us what we should believe and who our children associate with. Remember that guy named Hitler? He did a great job of conditioning and indoctrinating the adults and children. When he finished, he had silenced the adults and the children turning their parents who wouldn't stay silent into the police for execution. Germany doesn't even have that part of history in the curriculum. We are doomed to repeat history if we don't learn from it.

Did Anita just say that efforts to ensure equal protection under the law is the same as what HITLER did??? Ok....

frankly the attack on the young woman was un warranted and someone should have stepped in and stopped it. Frankly the amount of time the suspects got was not enough. I read somewhere that animals in the wild do not judge or disrespect when it comes to homosexuality. I'd like to think that it's true but that just shows how much hate the human species has.

The point of the law isn't to just stop violence at fast food restaurants Tom... is that what you think it's about?

Keep in mind, justice was served in the Chrissy Polis case. That poor innocent man with a history of violence a mile long. You can't tell me a man can't fight back against girls and allows himself to be dragged around like that. I think it was a set up to get this bill in place. After all, the bill was introduced based on that incident. Step 1 in the indoctrination plot.

Tom, who stood up and pointed at the Councilmembers and threatened them with something about "If you don't pass this bill as is, we know your names, etc......"?
Wasn't that Mark Patro? Yes, they are such a kind, gentle lot, aren't they?

Anita, Chrissy is a WOMAN!! She was beaten to within an inch of her life and you think that was f*cking STAGED?????

You are disgusting, you are a sick bigot, and right now you are the most perverted excuse of a human being I've come across!! You are the perfect example of some who's a victim of indoctrination herself -- indoctrinated in the ways of hate, perversion and bigotry by the religious reicht!

There you go again Marlene....substance over hate please....

Apparently it's important enough to oppose equal rights that you spent the time to comment on it and all the nice church folks showed up to rally against it... maybe you should spend more time praying and less time whining about it.

That point was brought up with Quirk. His answer....that's what makes them a minority and we must protect them. Well, my answer to that is....not at the cost of the most vulnerable....children and women. This whole bill is wrong and they just won't admit it. To pass a bill just to save face is wrong. I know for a fact the LGBTQ lobbyists hounded the council every waking moment, bombarded their offices with private meetings when the opposition to the bill could not get in.

The council was well conditioned by the time we even found out about the bill. It's not a waste of time for the LGBTQs. It will be well worth the while once they change society to their way of thinking.

Most of the world has moved on to believe that inclusion is more important to exclusion. Even the momentum in the Christian world have moved on. Hatred, oppression, subjugation nor stigmatization are Christian values. I think the "new" intention of Christianity is "Love your neighbor as thyself." Its been that for a while now (2000+ years or so) even thought we are just now discussing this idea.

Anita -- Nice of you to jion those disgusting racists like the Klan when they opposed integration of public restrooms.

It's obvious your pulpit masters forgot to tell you the history of *why* the south had segregated toilets. But then, you wouldn't believe me, because you've been programmed like a little robot to believe only what your pulpit masters tell your to think.

Apparently it's important enough to oppose equal rights that you spent the time to comment on it and all the nice church folks showed up to rally against it... maybe you should spend more time praying and less time whining about it.

David Taylor, you call all the hours of research and fighting this bill, whining? Don't think praying hasn't been a big part of this. We pray before working to defeat it.

Posting here is a way to stop the one sided viewpoint. If we just sat back and did nothing, this and so much more will be made law to control us. If anything, you should be thankful that anyone cared enough to try to stop this from happening.

I wonder how Christians would feel if they knew one of the Transgenders stood up and denounced the old testament, then twisted the words of Jesus Christ to suit his testimony?

Anita - that's dishonest of you to put words in my mouth like that. If I wanted to address all the hours you wasted trying to defeat this equality measure, I would have, but I didn't.

What I'm thankful for is that so many people care enough to stand up for freedom and equality and against the hate that some people live by. I'm also thankful that you stood up yesterday to speak your mind - every time someone rants on like that, a dozen new supporters for the bill are created. Your simple statements of anger and fear and hate towards other people are the best example of why laws like this are needed - how can we have a just society if some are subjected to the bigotry of people like you.

Keep on talking and posting - you are a big help in get this bill passed!!!

Marlene, another typical example of the hatred spewed out while not making a bit of sense. I'm not a racist. If you had heard my testimony before the council you would know that. Klan??? Pulpit masters??? I can see you have no faith in God. The LGBTs only quoted scripture at the hearings to twist it to their thinking. It's sad to see so many souls lost.

Glad you brought that up, Brandon. I really wanted to stand up and say something after that transgender tried to belittle that brave father. You either have no idea or just don't care how much courage it took for him and his children to do that. Whether or not he/she realized it, he/she just reinforced our point that little ones are esily indoctrinated and that we don't want it in the schools. That father has every right to teach his children right from wrong. It seems the best you all can do is name call and boo and hiss when someone doesn't agree with you. That hissing at the ex-gay was just disgusting. You sounded like a bunch of snakes.

Agreed - it's a disturbing trend, the religious radicals shielding themselves with children the way they do... very inappropriate to throw little kids out on the front lines in a difficult political debate that like.

http://www.yellowpages.com/nationwide/mip/angel-art-landscape-21723346/reviews?lid=21723346#tabs

Where was the Westboro Church? They have kids hold signs up to express their point of view.

Anita - I don't think anyone is trying to spread any rumors as you suggest... and you may as well come clean now and tell the truth about it. Didn't you say somewhere that you work/worked for Andy Harris? Maybe it's just as a volunteer, but you should tell the truth if that's the case and not try to deflect the question that way...

We have a right to know if you speaking as a representative of Andy Harris and/or his campaign, or just as a former member of his team. And I would think that you would welcome the opportunity to set the record straight...

What gives?

David Taylor, my personal life and what I do on my time is none of your business. There is nothing to come clean about. So, tell me, David, what to you do in your spare time? Inquiring minds want to know.

If you want to talk about someone who has something to hide. Try Manley Calhoon. A paid employee of Frank Kratovil and works for the MD Democratic Party. http://www.facebook.com/#!/manleypciii/info

Anita - I'm not asking anything about your personal life or your spare time, and I wouldn't consider it fair to pry like that anyway. If you don't want to talk about your employment for Andy Harris, then don't, it's not my concern here anyway. I just want to see everyone being protected and treated equally in the eyes of the law (people are still free to discriminate at home of course).

There was a fair question about your being "an employee of a government representative" or not as part of this discussion on the new bill being presented. You accused Brandon of "spreading rumors" and said that he was "bogus" - I'm merely suggesting that he's not spreading rumors about that because you already mentioned elsewhere (and publicly even) that you work/worked for Congressman Harris... Yell at Brandon because you disagree, call him Hitler for all I care, but don't say he's spreading falsehoods when he's not, or just call him out fairly if he is lying. Simple enough...

That link didn't look like he is hiding? As Frank is now a Judge, is he a former paid employee?

Hey! Leave my Uncle Frank out of this :)

anita schatz, you have no business trying to indoctrinate my children with your gender-stereotyping, fear-mongering, religious extemism, intolerance, or bigotry. your fascism is polluting our society of secular morals, and i think you need to speak with a psychologist about the lingering and all-encompassing damage that your rape by a man has done to you.

humanist, what a name you call yourself. Get off the rape thing. I've moved on. Where do you think I'm trying to indoctrinate your children? As for the rest of your comments...huh?

OMFG!!! You are a hatemonger and bigot of the first order, lady!!

To claim that Ms. Polis *staged* her beating is so utterly sick, vile and disgusting, you nothing more than a perverted pile of bovine feces!

I have been pretty "hands-off" on this topic, because of the retoric form both sides. However, I have to say that Anita is one of the most hateful, angry and bigotted persons I have ever had the displeasure to read on these boards.
All they are asking for is what all of us take for granted.....to be allowed t hold a job, rent an apartment, buy a house.
Anita can't get out of the bathroom.

yes, thank you.

You do realize GWB is responsible for 30% of this debt alone, right?
Many of his awful policies bleed this country dry to this day, you know.

As bad as President Obama's spending may or may not be, he doesn't hold a candle to his predecessor.

Darling, so-called "ex-gay" therapy is about as legitimate as drinking battery acid to cure an ulcer.

It's 100% fraudulent, and the so-called "churches" who promote this twaddle should be prosecuted for practicing psychiatry and counseling without a license!

Sorry, I actually agreed with everything you said past the first paragraph.
I am not sure why that didn't show up in my previous post. I was probably doing a cut/paste for editing and forgot to re-copy it.

I myself am also (I suppose) a classic independent.
My fiscal views tend to be a bit more conservative, whereas my social views are more progressive. I don't allow my religious beliefs to get in the way of how our government was intended to function.

Exactly Buck. Anita - thank you for staying on this. I believe most people could care less what people do in the privacy of their home. If Steve wants to be "Heidi" at night and wants to dance to Wham, who really cares. If someone wants to dress up as Barney and dance to George Strait, who cares!
Here is where the disconnect is. The liberals in their lust to divide and identify groups for their voting block give no thought to how society as a whole is affected. We are all rightfully so judged by our public behavior - because yes liberals, your behavior does affect other people. If you are a guy who dresses up as a woman with a beard, you are going to be judged by society as you are affecting society. This is true with or without a law. The comments by some of the more nasty folks to Anita clearly indicate they don't understand this. I wonder were they ever part of a team, sports or otherwise, where you do things to help the team. If you are working for the betterment of the team, your greatness and your values will come out. You realize it is not about you. It seems their sadness of never being part of anything brings out such anger in them - and getting this bill passed gets back at all of the people who were on a team and did not pick them on their team. The sad part is they will still be unhappy.

Anita - stay on your mission. Don't let the liberals take off your game. Remember, when they have nothing else, when they lose on the facts and nothing is left, the personal attacks come. You have won on the facts, so expect the personal attacks. They have nothing left.

I have to give libs credit. They have a mission. And whatever they need to do to accomplish that mission, they will do. Lie, steal, cheat, slander, do what needs to be done.

Everyone knows libs have ruined our cities, but will they take any blame? Of course not. Next mission, turn the United States into a country of victims or special groups that they can use for a coalition. Hence - this is on the agenda. Their concern for this group is only to mobilize the base, nothing more. They have been winning the narrative, but in November, let's see what happens. If Republicans do come into power in November, be just as vigiliant. We won't be fooled by your team letter "R" or "D." If you are a Republican and pull this type of BS on the right, you will be out next election.

Put your money in the swing states for those politicians who support your views. We may not win Maryland, but we may as a whole be able to get our country back.

Being a liberal means never having to say you are sorry.

This may seem a silly question, but when was the last time anybody posting here saw or heard about a heterosexual beat to death or near death by a LGBT for simply being a heterosexual? Please provide the links if you have them it would be interesting.

Vice-versa happens all over the world regularly, including the U.S.A. Just askin?

Well then, my apologies... you say that you have never been an "employee of Andy Harris" and don't have a job there, and that's enough for me. Who am I to suggest that you aren't being honest...

And I wouldn't exactly call it "bashing" to ask if you were doing work for Andy Harris - are you and this "rare" person saying that it's a bad thing or that he's a bad guy or something? Seems nice enough to me...

Just to set the record straight I no longer work for Frank Kratovil or the Democratic Party. I haven't been employed by either for over a year at this point. I have nothing to hide about my employment nor do I have any reason to hide these facts, it is actually public record. I spoke to behalf of Maryland Catholics for Equality, which is an organization where I am currently the Chair.

Please, stop making sense Erin! It doesn't fly well in these parts.

Best wishes to you though, in all seriousness.

And changing the law wiill help you how? You have indicated all of your problems. How will a law change you? You have been "played" by your liberal representatives. They have no plan to put people back to work, they are unwilling to make government run better. Patronage jobs on the public dole no longer exist. Even liberals suffer from our terrible financial leadership.
What do they do to sure up their base - find the next group to protect. Rile up the base, make them forget they have no economic plan. Run the clock out on all of the legislative sessions with these types of initiatives. Bring in the "militants" that will stop at nothing to accomplish their goals. See Anita's notes regarding their behavior.
The problem is the vast majority of society sees this and instead of wishing you get the help you need, they see the "miiitants" who have no interest in the betterment of society. So now, your group will be looked on much differently, much more negatively. You will feel more isolated from society because of the militants.
However, the libs are able to firm up their base, to move the topic from their non existent economic plan to "social fairness."
Libs stay in control, but your situation worsens. This is what happened to our inner cities under lib leadership. Be wary of any politician that wants to help you- Republican or Democrat.

"And changing the law wiill help you how?" this question has been answered over and over. you need to go do homework and look it up for yourself. but the answer is it will provide equal access to the law regardless of whether children have same-sex parents or opposite-sex parents. And to answer it in another way, I have been asking for equality under the law for 20 years now. If we just do it, maybe i focus on my business, grow it and hire a few people. That would move us in a positive direction with respect to both of our concerns.

Erin, glad you are seeking help. Have you tried the Sexual Dysfunction Clinic at Hopkins with Dr. Chris Craft? It's replaced the gender reassignment surgery no longer offered there. This place specializes in this. You may need a new Dr. Hope all goes well for you.

Anita, why do you keep recommending the Sex Disorders Clinic at John Hopkins? It was started by Paul McHugh, as you pointed out on another thread, and had as one of it's first purposes to protect child molesters and train them to evade prosecution by law enforcement.

"McHugh…is the man whose report to the court in one case stated that a defendant’s harassing phone calls were not obscene - including the call that detailed a fantasy of a 4-year-old sex slave locked in a dog cage and fed human waste. At least eight men have been convicted of sexually abusing Maryland children while under treatment at the “sex disorders” clinic McHugh runs at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine - abuse the doctors did not report, citing client confidentiality. When Maryland law was changed to require that doctors report child molestation, the clinic fought it and advised patients on how to get around the law. The memo to patients suggested that molesters report their pedophilic activities to their lawyers, who could in turn tell staff; attorney-client privilege would then protect the molesters from being reported. This memo was fully approved by the boss - Dr. Paul McHugh…”

Btw, he went on in 2000 to be brought in as an adviser to the Vatican right about the time the priest molestation scandals broke...

Forgot to mention, McHugh started that Sex Disorders Clinic at Hopkins after he shut down the Gender Clinic. He mentioned in his book that even before he set foot in his new job, his goal was to shut it down...

So is the "guy with a beard in women clothing" an assumed woman taking testosterone or an assumed man taking estrogen?
A: Could be either. Do you prohibit both from using any bathroom, then? Where do they get to go? What about a woman with PCOS that has facial hair (a beard) because her body produces too much testosterone on it's own? Does she get to use the women's room or will she be forced to use the men's room?

Sounds like just so long as someone looks like they fit in, they are allowed to use the bathroom they are in. Is that about right?

"The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time" except for LGBTQ people. How about you stop interfering with MY liberty?

The Bible is a very interesting double edged sword. On the other edge of the sword are very dark and ominous quotes.

Tim - the founding document, The Constitution, makes absolutely no reference to a Christian Nation. Interesting exclusion.

LOL, so you're opening my mind with a bunch of Biblical references. That's hilarious.

The only thing intellectual you added to this conversation was the coin bit. It was only the paper currency that was modified in the 1950's. Thanks for that!

You must've forgotten that the whole reason we had founding fathers to begin with, was due to....wait for it....religious and social oppression!

Adding a double helping of irony, it's by...wait for it again....the (English) Catholic Church!
You know, the driving force behind "Republicans" social agenda today. 2012.

It's both funny and sad that here we are, 235 years later, humans are still repeating the same mistakes. Oppressing others because it's convenient for them in lieu of actual understanding and compassion.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you God doesn't exist. He might.
I'm just going to tell you that belief in anything isn't proof and beliefs, according to our founders, was no way to run a government. They didn't want anyone else to be oppressed for their beliefs like they were.

...and here we are, 235 years later...

And your college and/or advanced degree is in????

Tim A., you have a gay teenager attack a straight teenager and that is proof. This has nothing to do with straights being attacked by gays simply for being straight. While members of the LGBT community are attacked routinely for no cause.

He's got about as much hard evidence in this post as the one before it about religion in government.

Anyone with half a brain realizes that gay teens are terrorized at a much higher rate then otherwise.

Is RMI an ultra right winger. Check

Nice comeback. Would you like to dispute any comments presented?
Isn't Baltimore City in such sad shape many of their representatives don't even live in their own district? Oh, yeah, they have a vacation home in that popular vacation mecca, Edgewood, Maryland. Another liberal victory.

When this is over, none of the fundamental problems of the county/state or our country have been solved because of this type of legislation.

Greece here we come.

First, thanks, I thought it was cute. Replies to your comments.

1. I don't believe so, I think the furor is though.
2. Didn't provide cover for tax increases. Does provide cover in non-election year though. If it goes to referendum, pols are off the hook either way.
3. Nah, they vote democratic anyway and the national republicans are providing energy for with social issue focus.
4. No, don't see race card, unless you believe civil rights is a race card.
5. Bigot card probably. See race card above.
6. Church attacked. No. Attack is an offensive weapon. Repulsing an attack is defending yourself. Church should stay outt of politics.
7. It is a distraction, cause I say is the opposition.
8. Weaker no. We have evolved over time as being fair to everyone, that makes us stronger.
9. Liberal victory. If you believe equal rights for all as a liberal position, yes.

Other points, I do not know the residency requirements of elected officials in the city.
Not nice insinuation about Edgewood. Leads to No. 4 above, but from the other side.
True, but still a good thing.
Greece, nah.
I think that covers it.

Marlene,
Some definitions for you, none which are me, but seem to fit some others in this conversation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perversion Put the link because it had too much to post here. Seems the LGBTs are there though.

Degenerate
de·gen·er·ates plural
1. somebody immoral: somebody regarded as immoral or corrupt

If you want to talk hate....you should see the hate mail I get, not including what you've written here to me. I had to have a police escort to the hearing. What would that be called "reverse hate crime"????...and you say I AM TALIBAN? You know what? I can't and won't have a conversation with people who, when they can't come up with intelligent, reasonable reasons for the way they are, just stomp their feet and call people really stupid childish names.

Oh, before I forget....you asked for this. Here are some of those non-existant cross dress crimes you mentioned. Yes, cross dress...until the surgery happens, it's cross dressing.

If anyone wants to see these....it's in the BCCouncil Files from Tuesday's work session. I found 33 in a day on the internet and I'm sure there's plenty more. Nausea made me stop.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/04/17/crossdressing-suspect-arrested-for-raping-woman/

http://www.romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/6822843/article-Rome-man-arrested-in-women%E2%80%99s-bathroom-at-Calhoun-Walmart?instance=home_Most_popular

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110805/NEWS03/708069999

Waiting for confirmation from the LA School Board and Detectives on this case before I can post cross dress here. But it's definitely on my list of not what we want in schools.
http://widk.com/2012/02/10/disturbing-new-photo-emerges-of-teacher-who-fed-spoonfuls-of-semen-to-students/

More to come...shall I continue?

This guy was caught pleasuring himself in a library....exposing himself to passerby.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/cross-dressing-septuagenarian-lewd-bust

This was the nice neighbor not even his wife knew was like this. http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2011/10/cross-dressing_sex_predator_se.html

Man in ladies swim suit exposing himself.
http://www.news9.com/story/11366771/police-man-wearing-ladies-swim-suit-exposes-himself?redirected=true

Hyatt Regency Hotel sued for this one. Woman walked into her hotel room to find him in her clothes.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/revolting/guest-sues-hyatt-over-pervy-cross-dresser

I'm not going to post all 33 crimes i found. All of these were confirmed as the real thing by other news sources.

Just had to post this last link to lots more....you be the judge as to what is real and what is not.
http://www.myinterwebz.net/2011/07/07/some-men-wear-dresses-guys-get-over-it/

Anita, I would recommend you be careful about painting a whole group of people for actions of a small group that may not be part of the group and are just criminals. Which it appears is what you are doing by referencing crimes.

The other edge of that sword is very sharp.

Paul Amirault, Someone said there have never been any crimes by men dressed as women. I'm just supplying what I found on that subject. Not painting anyone any color. My point is, how are we to know who is actually a Transgender and who is just a peeper, a rapist, or whatever in a dress to get his jollies. We can't tell, can we? Will we be lifting men's skirts to look underneath to make sure that thing has been changed? That will go over really well with more than fights going on in bathrooms and locker rooms.

Anita Schatz, I understand exactly why you did that. Sadly, my point is no one ever knows what may be hiding behind a robe or in another person's mind until it is too late.

Still waiting for a logical explanation....any takers ?.... Quirk?...Almond?
Can't sat that I blame you for laying low on this one....

If a trans person is using the women's bathroom then they identify as a woman. And the fact that you would exert force over another human being for using a bathroom that coincides with their gender representation is sad and horrifying. This is exactly why a bill like this needs to exist, because people are unwilling to understand or educate themselves on these issues by reading, not political arguments but academia and research about these issues, so measures must be taken to protect the rights of those being threatened by physical force. Exactly what you are doing. Your right, what something bad has/is happening in this world when we excuse and justify violence on another human being because we refuse to understand what they are going through. As a young person, who intends on having children in her future, hopefully won't have to home school her children one day unless sentiments of violence and hate like yours run rampant. My children will go to school because they will be the example to set for their peers to love and show compassion to ALL others. I hope one day you will learn to do the same.

Thanks, Carole Miller for you sentiments. You know I never thought I'd consider running for public office until now. This has got 2 other people I know of considering it in other districts that need cleaning up.

David Marks is my Councilman and I know he's working feverishly on amendements to make this bill work. I just paid him a visit today to find him at his desk on this. I hope he can come up with what we want that Quirk and the other Dems will accept and at the same time delete the dangers in this bill, or this WILL go to referendum.

Ditto to Wade Koch. Caling gets the answering machine and If you e-mail him, you get the same pat reply he gives everyone. These liberal legislators either don't stop to think or just don't care that they are selling their souls to the devil with stuff like this. They need our prayers.

Gen. 1 & 2 - we see from the beginning that the complimentarity of the sexes reflects God's inner unity and His creative power and Fatherhood. God created man and woman to become one flesh which is consummated in the act of marital love.

Deut. 22:5 - cross-dressing is also considered an abomination before God.
http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/22-5.htm

I know someone can enter a bathroom already to assualt someone. This bill is AN OPEN INVITATION TO DO IT and not just bathrooms, but public showers, locker rooms....you name it. Any place with "Women" or "Girls" now on the door is OPEN SEASON.

A Trans idividual has not necessarily had the sex change surgery. In fact, most have not had it done. It's expensive...about $100,000. That's why they want this in health insurance. Right now it's elective and paid out of pocket. Can you imagine what this will do to everyone's insurance rates if this happens?

I still say, if someone has had the sex reassignment surgery, and has gone through the required psycho and hormonal therapy and passes the test with their Doctors to be deemed the opposite sex, common in to the public accommodations with me. btw...that can take up to or more than 2 years.

Until then, men keep your tools that you hide under your dresses out of these areas. It's as simple as that. No debate.

Sara,
I have never mentioned anything that has to do with god or religion. Nor have I made any derogatory comments regarding transgender human beings... at all.
The stand that I take is strictly about our elected public official servants wasting a hell of a lot of time creating a law that will not be able to be fairly enforced...a weak or bad law does more damage to the transgender cause than a law with a solid foundation would. This is a fluffy grey attempt to passify a very small minority in our society. The law as it is written today, simply will not work for it's intended purpose. You, as most people that have commented tend to go off on some sort of name calling, finger pointing tangent that accomplishes nothing positive.
If the transgender population wants more protection from the vast majorty of the population, I would suggest that a better job be done by elected officials.
This is not a condition that can be legislated away.... this law will be less effective than speed limit laws.
Take a bite of the new Almond Quirk law...maybe read it..?, and then tell me you actually feel safer.. A bogus law of illusion that has wasted lots of time at best.
The pacifier passing will be the perceived victory for transgender human beings.
I'm amazed that you guys have settled for so little....you deserve better.
Regarding the bible and religion....reading and wars....the spirit comes from within, and I'm ok with mine.

O, and Sara... I don't believe that you have spent decades studying the bible... the hatred that you share for those that have a different,and educated opinion has been clearly demonstrated here, and if there is a god, I don't think that she~he would be smiling at some of your remarks. For shame.

" the condition", your term, has nothing what so ever to do with this law...read it Sara..
then come back to talk about it....please.

I ask again....where in the world do you get hatred and bigotry from anything I've said? I just have to shake my head at the garbage that spews out of your mouths.

Speaking of the Bible, I just got back from my Bible Study Group....we meet every week, not including the time we spend in church and doing God's work.

At the work session Tuesday, I almost jumped out of my seat and yelled "blasphemy" when the Transger testified that Jesus Christ "denounced" the old Testatment. Every time one of the LGBTs gets up and quotes the Holy Scripture, it's followed by some twist to make it sound ok to suit their purposes.

If you want to quote the word of God....this is what God said about homosexuality. Be sure to read all the way down the page past the line, too. I go by the Word of God & Jesus was God. You can't erase the Old Testament just to pervert the New Testament. The 2 go hand in hand. http://www.scripturecatholic.com/homosexuality.html

Hi, Buck. Yeah, I really was formally a Biblical scholar although nowhere near the level of some of my teachers. My family has always been deeply devoted to the Catholic Church, so it was only natural that I took advantage of the gifts of my Jesuit professors. I hope I was able to give something back in return. First thing I learned is that studying the Bible to discern God's will is both so simple a child can do it and yet so complex that some details that appear at first glance to contradict each other take decades of person hours to research, including corroborating with external documents and yes, prayer for guidance.

My apologies, Buck, if I lumped you in with people misusing their own primary text. Insofar as legislators wasting time and money on unenforceable legislation, well that's often what equality bills are. There are no bathroom patrols that work out of the police department. But having a law that protects people isn't intended for that sort of enforcement, is it?

Anita, this has nothing to do with sexuality. If it did, there'd be people railing against gays and lesbians being allowed to use restrooms out of fear, too. But they don't always look different enough, do they?

Completely off track, but the part of whole point of Jesus' ministry was that he was actively opposing Hebrew traditions, including the Hebrew Bible. His whole, "love thy neighbor", his (by today's standards) Leftist, Progressive, Socialist politics and teachings...blasphemy to the Jewish leaders of His day. That's basic stuff, Anita, and crucial to understanding both Testaments and the relationship between them. Unless it's understood, Christians tend to forget the teachings of Jesus that were intended to modify the original Hebrew laws. One place He confirmed the Prophets was when he specifically referred back to one of my favorites, Isaiah, and confirmed that God wants us to include trans people of all forms in our Love and in the Church. It's backed by another very lengthy passage in Acts that refers to both the prior ones. That's a powerful message, not just a one sentence proclamation against women wearing pants. Insofar as Genesis goes, no human is purely male or female, man or woman. There are men with female bone ratios and women with so much testosterone they grow beards (and 100's of other examples). But Genesis and Deut.32:1 was why Jesus confirmed Issiah, to clarify God's Will. As was the purpose for much of His Word.

I am a Methodist... After many years of intense study of the Wesleyan theology, I came to understand where the term Methodist came from....what ever method works..
Religion is man made, not God made, and is~ has been the most divisive structure on this planet. Differences in religion or religious beliefs have no place in this matter.
I would suggest a more caring, loving approach in sharing your well studied, well versed opinion of the matters at hand here.
This situation has nothing what so ever to do with religion, and the fact that it keeps getting thrown in the mix here seems to be a surrender to facts associated with this very bad law. God would never smile at this silly behavior.
Each time you read the bible a different meaning or interpretation can be found.... because a certain "method" of interpretation works for you, does not mean that it's Gods law. Religion is not necessarily a good thing.
Please tell me exactly why you believe that transgender human beings are in need of special protection law, that is not currently offered. Why should any group of human beings be afforded special treatment over the rest of the population?
So far...over 135 comments... not one person has made a solid argument as to why special treatment is necessary. Quirk, Almond have their heads stuck in the sand at this point. Why, If this is so darn important, have they not provided some input to this blog? Weak leaders without the facts to justify their inappropriate actions..

Please provide the address of the meeting on Fredrick Road...Thanks

Councilman Tom Quirk's Office
754 Frederick Road
Catonsville, MD 21228

Yes. Bring folks with you.

That's the point......most TRANSGENDERS AND NO TRANSVESTITES ARE GIRLS OR WOMEN. THEY ARE MEN IN WOMEN'S CLOTHES or if you want to see it from our perspective, WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.

Where do you think they've been going to the bathroom now.....the men's room or unisex bathrooms? They want this open to ANY SEXUAL DEVIANT DRESSED AS A WOMAN TO LEGALLY BE WITH women and little girls not just in BATHROOMS, BUT SHOWERS, DRESSING ROOMS, LOCKER ROOMS, ETC.

So, Donald, to keep you big strong men from being tempted to beat one up, you'd much rather subject the much weaker sex and children to the sexual moods of these men. Click on some of the links I provided earlier on the various cross dress related sex crimes by them and tell me you still think this is silly.

I've done a lot of reseaerch and when I read about how some of them get turned on by the sound of a women peeing in the toilet, I would not be able to go to the bathroom, knowing I could be exciting one of them....let alone knowing some little girl is triggering some deviant sexual behavior.

At the work session Tuesday, they were keeping an eye on me and when I had to go to the ladies room, suddenly one of them had to go, too. I know he followed me in there because of who I am, just to intimidate me into creating another Chrissy Polis incident and used the stall next to me when the one closer to the door would have been more convenient. I got through that, but don't want to again.

Next see link.

Read this link and see why we don't want these people in these private areas with women or worst yet, children.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Transgender

Buck, you want to get Quirk's or Almond's attention or any of the Dems for that matter, be the one to announce you are holding the rally at their office. Your phone will ring off the hook and you'll get personal e-mails, trying to get you to cancel it. That's what is happening to the person who scheduled the rally.

This is not about discrimination...It's about creating a law that will not be able to be enforced without discriminating.

Gee, Anita: "shout loudly and make the most outrageous allegations against those who don’t agree with them" Sounds a lot like someone who will assemble a mob to demonstrate at a person's place of business.

Hear, hear Bart! It is so interesting that the loudest and most outrageous person on this board does not see herself in the comments she makes about others. No need to pray for my misguided soul, thanks. I'd prefer to take care of my own....

Or Occupy Wall Street. If those on the board are correct and Anita is wrong, her group assembling at Mr. Quirk's office would be the best advertising ever for his business. You would think Mr. Quirk would want this.

Why would he fight this?

RMI, would you view a demonstration by those that oppose her in front of her home the same way? Demonstrating in front of Mr. Quirk's place of business appears to be an attempt to intimidate him. Demonstrating in front of her home would be also. Mr. Quirk's political headquarters is fair game. If that is the same as his place of business, enjoy your demonstration there.

Details of Occupy Wallstreet activities and the "glittering" of Republican candidates which seem to get a chuckle by the liberal pundits are a bit off topic. But, Mr. Quirk cleary believes his legisltatiion is correct, and his political area is generally very Democratic. My guess is many people are unaware of this proposal. I would think Mr. Quirk would want the attention of the protesters. This would bring more media and more attention to the proposal, which would lead to more support to his bill. So why does he not want this? Do you think he does not want more people reading this proposal?
I believe the demonstration was at his political office, but not sure.

I am intimidated by the fact that reckless, poorly worded, laws will create more problems than currently exist.
Could someone please explain the exact reason for the need of this perceived additional protection?
How does this proposal plan to effectively and fairly enforce it's contents.
Putting the cart before the horse is typical of wanna be law maker with little experience. Seeking facts, not cute little ditties here... has anyone that posts in favor of this silliness actually read the proposal??