Because crotch rocket motorcycles speed on 695, should the police take your car away from you? Decrease the speed limit? No.

hdatontodo1 common sense will not be tolerated here on the patch! Everyone knows that guns kill people and the criminals holding them at the time the guns decide to shoot are not to blame.

The car example is old. If you drive over the speed limit and kill someone by accident, you will most likley lose your right to drive and you will go to jail because someone died due to your negligent use of your vehicle. If you kill someone with a your registered pistol or a hunting rifle by accident, chances are, you will not go to jail.
The NRA opened the door on the mental health issue. NIMH reported that 1 in 4 americans has a mental health issue in any given year. CNN neurologist S. Gupta said the number is 1 in 5 for children. According to NIMH over 26 million people have already been diagnosed with depression and mood disorders, major factors in suicides and in homicides within families. If we say that there can be no guns in the homes where these people live, we'll get a lot of guns out of american homes. All the govt needs to do is look at insurance company records for anyone who has had a diagnosis with these and other specified mental illnesses. I applaud the NRA for suggesting an acceptable way to pair down not only assault weapons, but all weapon types in the American homes.

Psychotropic drugs? Like every single mass shooter was under the influence of when they committed their reign of murderous terror? The truth must not get out, otherwise how will the new world order controlled government disarm the citizens of the USA? It's much more politically correct and tyrannical to advance the anti gun agenda. Unfortunately for the NWO, the sleeping giant (the people of the USA) are awaking.

Seriously.

Especially when it has been specifically set in place by tyrannical loose talk from government sources and irresponsible news papers darlings. Interesting that you find it all so amusing Honeygo Hal. And even, when reviewing historical tyrannical moves in other countries in not that too distant past, you would still come to the conclusion that this is "paranoia"....mmmmm. Try to focus just a bit on responses such as Chicago's current Mayor regarding his feeling that one should always take advantage of a negative. Then perhaps step back a bit and watch how these tragedies are being addressed politically...and don't leave anything out. Just a thought!

I see the head Quacker has returned. Where's her hubby ATC? She knows nothing but it is good for her neighbors to see what she types (it sure is not writing).

Lorna,
If our government wanted to turn tyrannical, individuals with AR-15s would not be enough to fend them off.

My comment stands. If you read the comments of most gun enthusiasts with an unbiased eye, it cannot be disputed that paranoia is rampant. That is part of the reason it is scary.

You guys have NO idea what tyranny is. None of us do.

Hal is right here, any rational minded individual can only come to the same conclusion. Of course, rationality is optional around here.

PS: I'm not for a gun registry list, or a complete disarming of our society. Not at all.

Tim and I disagree on the gun registry list. When someone is amassing weapons and ammunition, I want the police to know about it. We know if they are attempting to buy the chemicals to make bombs. I sure do want to know about someone amassing thousands of rounds of ammunition, especially .223 or other military equivalent cartridges. There is no rational reasoning for that, unless there is a wire is shorted in their brain.

Honeygo...governments do not turn tyrannical over night...it is a slow, steady process until one day you wake up and Surprise! Surprise! wondering what the h*ll happened. How in the H*ll did we miss it?

I think the race baiting on here by a couple of people in particular, is getting a little old. I would be interested to know if this violates the patch policy....Nick Dimarco? I know that profanity, threats, etc obviously do, but it seems to me for people such as the one above and another below who engage in essentially calling people racists when the subject is not even about race but they just don't like their view and want to delegitimize it. I remember when I was a kid my grandfather told me that those who used a lot of profanity probably had a very small vocabulary and that is why they talked like that. I would say it's also true that those who use this site to call others racist probably have very weak arguments and therefore have little else to do but play the race card. And btw, I'm all for free speech but we know there are limits, as the liberals would say on gun rights too. Anyway I hope the patch editor could shed some light on this one.

fifi, you called me out? I don't need to add anything Lorna doing good dealing with you. The only benefit Lorna and I would miss out on the gun ban is you shootin yourself in the foot...LOL

ATC, my trash is picked up on Thursdays, don't need you until then. I heard Looney Lorna is looking for your nutty butt though.

I agree Honeygo. People are a tad off their rockers these days. And as to the tyranny concern, our president can only be tyrannical for 8 years and even then we would have voted him or her in, twice. As far as the rest of them, we vote them in every 2 & 6 years. It's our own fault if we keep voting in the same tyrannical congressman from the 5th district or senator world order man from Iowa. What we have and will always have is a govt in and by our own hands. Blaming others, while easy, is futile. We voted in Obama and Biden, Boehner and Pelosi, McConnell and Reed. They are us. And we are to blame if they aren't getting it right. If people are so hot for tyranny so they can have big guns, there are many third world countries where they can play Rambo, protecting their families on a regular basis. Here in the US, you or someone living in your home is 22 times more likely to be killed by your gun than an intruder in your home. With odds like that, the only people seeing real action with your gun is you or someone you love.

Honeygo Hal,

Your premise assumes that the men and women of our "Voluntary" armed forces would remain loyal to a tyrannical government and turn their weapons on their brothers, sisters and fellow US Citizens....that's a pretty bold assumption, given that they have sworn to uphold and defend The Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic

even if so...having 90 million armed US citizens DOES provide a Deterrent against an oppressive government, even if the outcome is unfavorable

Thats covered under Article 3, Section 3. It's called treason.

All those Oaf Keepers and III'pers are all bark and no bite anyway.

Anthrogirl - thanks, at least I'm not the only one thinking that way.

Steve Redmer - I was thinking more about the quality and sophistication of the government weaponry, but you bring up a good point.

As anthrogirl suggests, tyrannical takeover probably can't simmer very long - I don't think that is part of the job of the "transition team" to the next president, and I can't imagine Democrats and Republicans agreeing on anything like that. So I'm not too worried about it.

@Steve, I'm sorry, I don't understand....What do you refer to as "Treason"?

This Conservative explains it far better then I can..

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/10/21/the-malignant-nature-of-the-oath-keeper-movement/

"Leftists" don't like guns? Che Gueverra, Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Minh......

No hindsight...the focus today is being taken off of criminals and placed on human beings with perceived mental issues..

Steve darling...you are truly or at least questionably crack-a-vooka! So very anti-anti-anti...my little communeesta darling. :-)

Just curious jack, you lost 85 weapons plus ammo? Just my two cents, but I would think the ATF might like to know more about you accumulating that kind of weaponry? Of course, there is not a national database giving them that knowledge.

It's not about safety, they (the left) couldn't care less. What they care about is imposing their agenda. The tragedy in CT gave them the perfect opportunity to go for what they've always wanted, which is the strictest gun control laws they can push through. Remember Rahm Emanuel's line about never letting a good crisis go to waste. The funny thing is the states like CA, NY, and MD which already have more gun control laws than most are already talking about imposing more laws. Of course two of those states have governors who want to seek the democrat party nomination in 2016. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with their push in the wake of this tragedy. No, I'm sure they care about "our children" and they only seek to do good. Now that fool Biden is talking about executive orders to impose these measures. Can you imagine if Bush had tried to impose something the left opposed through that? Yes every president has used executive orders but none have abused them like this man. When FDR sought to pack the court in the 1930's, it was the democrats who opposed him. Today the democrat party is encouraging their president to use executive orders on everything from guns to the debt ceiling. The ends justify the means for these people.

amark, your arguments leak like a colander.

1. You are not a progressive, but you state what progressives think.
2. Unless gun laws are universal across all states they are a waste of effort. Gun laws can only work if applied evenly in all states.
3. Bush had executive orders just like every other President, he just liked guns.

You just don't like the Democratic Party. But what is interesting is the Republican Party is shrinking. Then what, "second amendment remedies"? Yea right.

Fefe, the word is Leftist, or statist or socialist- not progressive. Progressive indicates progress, while the things you leftists want to do (socialism for example) have been tried and failed for over a hundred years. If Bush had sought to sign an executive order to push through something around the Congress (like banning abortion let's say) I'm sure you might have been slightly upset, no? But again, when it's your agenda, what you want, you are for doing it by any means necessary. Typical leftist.

amarky, that is your slur. You are a wingnut, fruitcake, teabag, etc. Any number of names if that is what you like to do.

You may think progressives have failed, but any progress (as in progressives) that this country has made is at the direction of progressives. It is the white pointed hat folks like you that have held this country back.

You are a typical wingnut.

See Fefe, the problem is the names I used are accurate descriptions of your ideology. The ones you use sound like a first grader on the playground. And all the "progress" that you speak of undoubtedly refers to govt programs I'm guessing. Because that is how you view progress: the government spending more and more of our money in the name of compassion.

amary, it is your party that doesn't want women to vote, equal rights for all citizens, etc.

Ahhh yes, I can hear the folks in Cuba often times lamenting the "change" brought about by the loving communistas.."let us collect all big, bad guns first"....that will work and it did my little darling, it certainly did. I don't think you quite understand the concerns or you do and are so very disappointed that so many of our citizens very much understand the concerns. Stevee boy, do you consider yourself a socialist, communist, or some sort of left wing inbetween? I certainly do not hold our democratic (true democratic party) in contempt. But those who are working so hard to hijack it are beneath contempt. But, I urge you all not to crawl back under your rocks...it is much more enlightening to communicate with you in the open light of day my little angels. As always, your terminology is telling!!

It is good for people like Looney Lorna to comment. It shows the normal people that crazy boogers exist like her. Vote Sarah.

There is no Gun Control in Cuba..Turn off Faux News and Rush Limbaugh and you might actually learn something.....

Actually Steve....

Most people do NOT "Know what they mean" when mentioning "Assault Rifles"...

Many in the Media and Government keep referring to machine guns in the same breath as assault weapons...they are not the same thing, and the vague language is intended to create confusion and elicit fear and emotion.

The term "assualt weapons" is a term created by politicians in legislation to describe certain guns, with certain "Features"(mostly only cosmetic mind you)...most of those "Features" do not improve the technical characteristics of the weapon, nor to they increase it's effectiveness or deadliness...they just make it look "Cooler" or look "Tactical"... but ultimately make them no more deadly than a hunting rifle...

Jail.

Lorna you are an absolute idiot. You type like a moron and look like one too. You are perhaps the single most pathetic poster on the Patch with your....... morse code. You have the IQ of a rock.

Is this the part where you start bragging about being a marksman, Fido? LMAO

Blob, I am waiting for an insult free post from you, of course, you aren't that bright.

As for you Frankie darling, me thinks thou doth protest too much and with so little knowledge to back it up!

Oh, why don't you regale us with your war stories, Fido? No doubt were cowering in the kitchen weeping with your pots and pans whenever the real men used harsh language. ROTFLMAO

Blob, how about a comment on the subject instead of personal attacks? You don't have any intelligent thoughts, I forgot.

How in the world did you survive "don't ask, don't tell", Fido? The incidents where you were left weeping helplessly while cowering in fright must be too numerous to mention. Sorry to bring up your repressed memories. LMAO

Blob, waiting for your first post, it appears you have nothing intelligent to say. Surprise!

A shame you had to be humiliated and dragged through the dirt again like the junkyard dog you are, Fido. But such is your path in life. I'm sure you are used to it.

Still waiting Blob, you have yet to make a single post that is not just an attack on someone, perhaps the Patch is watching you, I doubt it.

Weeping will get you nowhere in life, Fido. With as much of it as you've done, I'm surprised you haven't realized that yet.

amary, keep defending your white pointed hat and white dress, that's you.

amary, the one with the white pointed hat and white dress, yes I am watching the game versus posting your wingnut views

OMG..FIFA, et al are losing it...entirely! Poor, poor darlings with their "white pointed hats."

Fluffy, are you playing the race card with your idiotic comments?

amary, yout white pointed hat and your white dress speak for itself.

You are doing nothing but proving what an idiot you are. Typical leftist; when you have nothing to stand on you play the race card even though I have never mentioned race. You show yourself to not be very bright when you stoop to such a level.

The only pointed hat I see is the one that fefe wears sitting in the corner,Reason? for not having any common sense on issues.

ATCrybaby, you're here in all your glory. You know nothing, you understand nothing, and my mulch has more common sense than you do. Wow. Join Lorna for an adult beverage.

Oh come on darling, come on out from under the rocks. Be brave...not just silly name calling. Interesting how much you defer to The Cat in the Hat...must watch a whole lot of that entertainment. Come on outside...the light of day will be good for you FIFA darling.

Oh FIFA, it is amazing how easily you are intimidated. But, must admit I get a certain amount of laughter with your looney, crazy, cat in the hat crap! So, don't give up...keep trying honey child.

Looney Lorna. Sucks off her government retirement that we pay for. Sucks off the "Social" Security that she wails about the entitled. She is the hypocrite of all hypocrites. A true teabagger and looks like a wet Lipton too.

Fifi said on on 7:25 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
"When you resort to pulling out the attack card, you lose."
"Never assume others are stupid."

How is she sucking off the government when she has paid into both her retirement and social security?

Eastsider, you make it so easy. All of a sudden you sound like a progressive.

She is sucking out much more than she paid in. She is a bloodsucker according to conservative/wingnuts like you. You speak out of both sides of your mouth. Eastside/Westside aka Downside.

To them, "socialism" is what other people get. Theirs is different...

Social security checks??? Dumbos???? Ranting and Raving???? Have you been snorting something lately Steveee? Huh, huh??? Can't you just have a meaningful, challenging conversation, ever? Or, are you on some payroll to make the whole debate completely off the mark and meaningless. When you guys (and possibly girls) enter the scene, everything become so meaningless...but I am beginning to suspect that it may become a Patch signature...hope not, really, really hope not.

No one talks about armed guards already in Latino schools
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/11/no-one-talks-about-armed-guards-already-in-latino-schools/

Hillsborough County School Board to vote on armed security for elementary students
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_tampa/hillsborough-county-school-board-to-vote-on-armed-security-for-elementary-students

Armed Guards Sent to Patrol Schools in Los Angeles, Phoenix
http://abcnews.go.com/US/armed-guards-positions-schools-los-angeles-phoenix/story?id=18152089

Vote Today On Plan To Put Armed Guards In Staten Island Schools
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/video/8138599-vote-today-on-plan-to-put-armed-guards-in-staten-island-schools/

The NRA was correct and the idea was NOT theirs. The idea is welcome in many places. Many are against the NRA not the idea of armed guards in schools.

I don't think so - the NRA was talking about volunteers - retired law enforcement, military veterans, etc.

So you conservatives will be willing fork over the tax dollars to put these police officers in schools? Pay for the special training? Cover their absences - sickness, vacation, and training with additional specially-trained officers? Mighty generous of you given what we were hearing before the election...

From the NRA Statement:
"With all the foreign aid, with all the money in the federal budget, we can't afford to put a police officer in every school? "

"Now, the National Rifle Association knows that there are millions of qualified active and retired police; active, reserve and retired military; security professionals; certified firefighters and rescue personnel; and an extraordinary corps of patriotic, trained qualified citizens to join with local school officials and police in devising a protection plan for every school. We can deploy them to protect our kids now . We can immediately make America's schools safer — relying on the brave men and women of America's police force."

"The budget of our local police departments are strained and resources are limited, but their dedication and courage are second to none and they can be deployed right now.I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."

Maybe reading the entire statement would have educated you on what they actually said.
The words 'volunteer' or 'volunteers' are not found in the NRA statement even once . Not once. The word 'police' is noted 9 times. The term 'armed guard' is only seen once.

YES! The NRA has been vindicated.

No Frank, you liberals have taken them away from some schools as well. No firearms and no bake sales.

No cookies for you! State Bans Bake Sales
http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=751312#.UPLiVGdtyKQ

Massachusetts bans school bake sales
http://www.examiner.com/article/massachusetts-bans-school-bake-sales

Adults finally showed up "Massachusetts School Bake Sale Ban Lifted"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/massachusetts-backs-off-s_0_n_1509148.html

Perhaps a fund raising target shoot at the local range.

Honeygo, would you support a national database of all those who have been to a doctor, evaluated and prescribed any number of those strong psychotropic drugs? The type of drugs that require follow up visits to the doctor?

Would you support a national database of all those purchasing any kind of firearm or ammunition?

Sanchez, yes I would support a database of all those purchasing a firearm - perhaps starting at some limit (calibre, type of chamber, etc.)

I would also support tracking of every gun sale with serial numbers - we do it with cars, why not guns? Find the gun at a crime scene, you know who owns it. Those that ignore the law would quickly figure out that compliance is in their best interest when law enforcement shows up at their door.

Personally I'm not sure about "psychtropic" drugs - I would let the medical community weigh in on that.

“psychotropic drugs” The phrase “psychotropic drugs” is a technical term for psychiatric medicines that alter chemical levels in the brain which impact mood and behavior.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/12/02/what-you-need-to-know-about-psychotropic-drugs/

Do you support background checks on purchasers that includes medical issues such as the prescribed use of any of those drugs? Remember that most of these psychotic shooters have been prescribed one or more of these drugs.

Sanchez, you are not "the medical community." I'll wait until I hear them discuss it (not here on the Patch.)

So HGH, you cop out when challenged to debate on the firearm safety topic?
You have never before shown any unwillingness to discuss any other topic you are uneducated about? why this one?

Sanchez, oh Sanchez - There are many topics I won't discuss on an open Internet forum. I might discuss them over a beer with a friend or acquaintance, but not here.

Besides, frankly, I do not know enough about "psychotropic" drugs to have an intelligent conversation. You, on the other hand, seem comfortable with discussing them. Do you have your prescription on auto-fill?

Honeygo Hal,

I think you might be shocked at the amount of citizens who would volunteer to protect our schools without pay...Millions of americans give their free time taking training courses and achieving certifications WITHOUT PAY, to serve as volunteer firefighters, paramedics & EMTS...they risk their lives, train, certify and maintain those certifications without receiving any compensation...

Unbelievable Steve! You found the word "Volunteers" 4 times and the word "Volunteer" 2 times on that page!!!! Congratulations Steve, you get a Gold Star for your forehead.

But as usual you are wrong. Please read before you spew your garbage.

Those words you found are not the STATEMENT of the NRA. They are the words of Asa Hutchinson and Jonathan Lowy and the story's author.

I am even wrong to use the term armed guards since the NRA states that only once and the word police 9 times.

As I stated Steve, come join the adults when you can find "Volunteer" in the NRA statement.

Steve 11:32 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013 "Reading is fundamental JoeBlob."

Priceless!

Steve! That IS NOT THE NRA STATEMENT that I was very specific on. I may be a 'gun nutter' but you are just plain NUTS!

Yes, 'armed guards' is not 'volunteer" now is it Stevie? You attention span is all of nanoseconds.

Too hard to find for yourself Frank? There is a neat thing called google.

Type into google Frank the following. Am I going to fast for you?

News9 Armed with a gun and ready to shoot

It is the first link that comes up. Do I need to repeat it slower?

And now for the rest of the story, Steve in his attempt at propaganda, left out.

"The Hennepin County attorney charged the father, Kao Chongsua Xiong, in the case Thursday, Dec. 27, alleging he intentionally and carelessly left the loaded handgun and other firearms lying around home where his children could easily get their hands on them. "

Steve fails again to read his own links. I really do wonder how well he can read.

Gee Stevie, this kid finding a firearm intentionally left there for him is like you finding all the shiny objects they leave around for you to entertain yourself.

No, its not a "little hypocritical". It is the definition of.

We SHOULD follow the lead of the fine Senator Feinstein. She knows all about threats to her security. Many years ago she received threats to her life. Who can argue with her response? She applied for and received a concealed carry permit and started to pack.

Reading is fundamental JoeBlob. The guns were stolen from a relative of the Gun Nutter, used during a crime and returned to the Gun Nutter.

"One of the handguns had been stolen in 2010, used in an armed robbery in 2011, recovered by police and returned to its owner, a relative of Xiong's, the complaint said."

and Pavlov's dog hears every word that real true racists hear. Just saying "gang banger" now is racist to the real true racists like Frank and his cute little picture of himself as a child in his white sheets. No wonder he thinks he hears whistles for words like "gang banger".

Being in possession of a firearm traced to an armed robbery Frank is a clue to those who can actually think, to those who are coherent, to those who are rational, would lead one to the conclusion he was possibly a gang banger. But to a true racist like you, all you see or hear are whistles. Now go back to your childhood picture in sheets and a pointed hat and fantasize about burning that cross on your neighbors lawn.

Frank, as we have come to know him, has fallen so far behind he must resort to the last refuge of a loser liberal, the race card.

You are a suckfish Looney Lorna, you have sucked at the public trough that the rest of us have paid for. You are like a suckling pig, just taking, and then complaining about the warmth of the milk. That is you.

As for me, you only guess. You have absolutely no idea. What is that sucking sound I here? It is Looney Lorna taking from the rest of us. How does it feel Looney?

That is what a suckfish does like you Lorna. You complain continually about the hand that feeds you, which is the rest of the taxpayers in this state. You are the worst kind of hypocrite. Steal from the rest of us and then complain we don't give you enough money. That is the definition of a suckfish. And finally ... ... ... .. .. .. . . .

Leave it up to "don't ask don't tell" Fido to attempt to beat up on older women. And then get laid out anyway for his trouble. Poor Fido. ROTFLMAO

The "Stank" is stuck on this notion that spending his entire misbegotten life posting on a forum is somehow meaningful and enriching. ROTFLMAO

Wrong, "Stank". That's all you have. Well, except for the hospice. LMAO

I'm sure that Fido is delighted that he has the company of the "Stank" as a fellow weeper.

Sanchez, oh Sanchez - There are many topics I won't discuss on an open Internet forum. I might discuss them over a beer with a friend or acquaintance, but not here.

Besides, frankly, I do not know enough about "psychotropic" drugs to have an intelligent discussion. You, on the other hand, seem comfortable with discussing them. Do you have your prescription on auto-fill?

Cop out HGH! I have a vested interest in my Constitutional rights and am well informed on the subject. If anyone wants medical background checks to weed out those who have perpetrated such shootings and most have been on these drugs, then a national database of those prescribed these drugs would be in order no?

It is a simple question HGH. Not sure why it is off limits like the 38% of all homicides seem to be off the table since they are perpetrated by one particular demographic group.

This national conversation has been about the 2nd amendment and one particular type of firearm. To leave out medical issues and 38% of all homicide is why this conversation will never amount to diddly.

I'm not leaving it out - just not discussing it here.

If "you" misspeak here you have a deluge of critics jumping down your throat before you can catch your breath - a deluge of mostly clueless partisans just looking to slam someone. I don't need that.

Hey rabid racist Frankie, is the FBI UCR racist too for separating out homicides by race? That you racist is where the stat comes from.

You are joking right? Because if not this may be the dumbest post I've ever seen, including Frank's and Fefe's. The govt keeps statistics on all demographic groups from income to diseases and everything else in between. Do you have a problem with that too?

Your definition of "racist" is from where 1ke? Rowan and Martins Funk n Wagnalls?

Irrationality rules when you run out of ideas.

Frank again in the same day admits surrender and defeat.

"They is ungrammatical."

???? More surrender and defeat form Frankie the Resident Racist.

More NRA vindication.

Joe, last week you asked me a question and also asked that I reply without any insults regarding my statement that over 95% of scientists agree that global climate change is for real. I provided three links for your review without a single insult. PS - I did not see a reply from you.

Now it is my turn to ask you questions and ask the same favor in reply.

Once you arm the schools, how will you protect the soccer fields when hundreds of kids and their parents on Saturday that are playing and watching the games at a recreation field? How will you protect a high school football game with hundreds of spectators? And thirdly, how will you protect the shoppers walking the Avenue on a summer Saturday night? All from a gunman with a Glock that has a 30 round magazine attached hidden under his coat?

Sample size is small, isn't it. Chicago had 500 homicides last year for a city of 2.75 million - or 4.5 times the size of Baltimore.

Considering Baltimore regularly tops 200 murders a year, if Chicago actually maintained the 2 murders a day for an entire year (which would assume a 50% increase in murders) they'd STILL be on par or slightly behind Baltimore.

Math is your friend. Fearmongering, not so much.

Sorry, 2.7 million, not 2.75.

Wow! 500+ murdered in one year in one city of any size and Tim says it is nothing but fear mongering. So little concern for those 500+ eh Tim?
Do you really want to go that route? Then at least be consistent. the amount of firearm deaths with semi auto rifles is near non existent so why concern yourself with that?

Frank you idiot!
"THIS is where the majority of gun violence is..." in context of the post it meant in cities across the country. You are not the sharpest knife in the drawer Frank.

Frank, 12664 murders in the USA in 2011, not 15,000. Another example of your inability to be factual.

Frank, I never denied your numbers did I? I only put them in perspective.
I qualified my numbers with where is this national debate going! To the vast majority of the firearm violence or to the small minority of the firearm violence?

Rahmbo Emanuel was in town today to give us all advice on what to do to solve the firearm violence. Amazing since his city had 22 murdered by firearms in 14 days. I can't wait to take his advice.

Joe, you have ignored my question above, why?

Above at 3:56, but of course you made a slur instead of answering the questions, but then that was expected.

No but given the statistics he would be more likely to father a child out of wedlock while married.

Oh wait.....

Statistics are not your strong point are they Frank?
One like you must actually read first to see the connection between gun violence and blacks. Young male blacks as the FBI UCR break out into groups because they are racists statistician career government employees, show us the numbers. As you well know and have stated.

I have provided the links before but you must not have read them. Here is one more time.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3

38% of all homicide perpetrated are black males and they comprise less than 7% of the population.

Why is 3.76% of all firearm homicide the topic?

There you go Patch Resident Racist Frank! Couldn't wait to write "white" eh?
Where is that picture of you as a child again in the white hat and white robe?

Yeah, let's add a 4th "R" - Reading, Writing, 'Rithmetic, and Rapidfire...

I think we need another step up. Surround our schools and playgrounds like this (http://www.bop.gov/locations/index.jsp) with guard towers in each corner.

That should do it.

Yeah, maybe have a movie tie-in, and design them like the POW camp in "The Great Escape."

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2067565_2067566_2067568,00.html

The line in the sand is being slowly drawn...

What law bans a qualified citizen the ability to purchase a full auto firearm?

"we have the right to abolish it as we deem fit."

Ever read what many call the Preamble to the US Constitution that is called the Declaration of Independence?
For your much needed education Frank,
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "

Frankie, What law bans a qualified citizen the ability to purchase a full auto firearm?

No answer eh Frank? Cat got your tongue? And YES indeed i am qualified to purchase the Calss 3 license and pay the high fees and then purchase a full auto firearm.

So Frank, what law prevents me form doing so?

People who drive cars are more likely to die in a car crash than those who do not drive cars.

People who jump out of airplanes are far more likely to die from jumping out of an airplane than those who do not.

That may be true for people who are reckless, careless and irresponsible with their firearms. However, in a home with well trained, educated gun owners, proper safety precautions (specialty access safe, trigger lock etc) enacted, having a gun in the home is perfectly safe even around children. The keys are also inside the safe as well, so there's no chance of their being taken. Regarding the comment made by Frank, that one particular case is the very example of what not to do when having firearms in the home. I read an article about the story that even mentioned a gun being in a diaper bag with diapers. That's just plain child endangerment and a poor example of how most legal gun owners keep their weapon out of the hands of the vulnerable or violent.

You forgot to mention Frank that the father LEFT THEM OUT INTENTIONALLY and did not even live in the house and was CHARGED, and rightly so.
Your propaganda is transparent Frankie.

I have no firearms in my home! My home is a PROUD GUN FREE ZONE.

.........because we all know the NRA would never fudge it's numbers.... Oh Wait!

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/nra-membership-numbers

Only the childish answer questions with a question. I love my Constitution. It's not a "Living document" as you Libs want it to be. So why do you hate the 2nd Amendment Frank?

I especially love the part in the base document that says I have the "inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Since that part of the Constitution is prior to any of the amendments, shouldn't it have precedence over the amendment that makes it possible for someone possess an item that can take away that "inalienable" right?

Honeygo Hal you are obviously ignorant in regards to the Constitution. It's not up for interpretation.

"shouldn't it have precedence over the amendment that makes it possible for someone possess an item that can take away that "inalienable" right?"
Examples? Car, hammer, baseball bat, poison, large airplane?

Sanchez it's like arguing with my 4 yr old.

Whaddya mean it's not a living document???

So you think that Black people should still count as 3/5ths of a White person adn women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

Steve you apparently do not know what the term means. Now carry on.

"Honeygo Hal you are obviously ignorant in regards to the Constitution. It's not up for interpretation."

You are kidding right? What has the Supreme Court been doing for the last 200+ years?

That quote looks bad when it hits the front page :)

FIFA the SCOTUS ensures that laws and decisions made within US are constitutional. Not interpretation.

Frank you obviously have no rock to stand on. Enough of the childish quips.

I'm convinced and saddened that you guys just make stuff up as you go. No wonder our state and country are in decline. Ignorance is bliss i guess.

Frank why cant you answer a simple question. I already mentioned that i loved my Constitution. It is a democratically adopted legal document that does not change.

Frank did you even graduate High School. Try Google..anything. Something. Educate yourself.

CP, are you really that ignorant? Never mind, dumb question. What does "a well regulated militia" mean? What is your interpretation? Oops, not supposed to say that.

Here. Everything I have said is in here. I guess you will "in·ter'pret" this the way you see fit so whats the print?

http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm

http://www.supremecourt.gov/

Sucks getting OWNED on a website doesn't it FIFA, Honeygo, Frank?

CP, you need to realize who your dealing with here. They are not rational, coherent or interested in debating any topic. they are here for their own sick twisted purposes. Some are here 24/7 and never leave their computers.

What is wrong with a ditch digger? It's an honest living? Are we classicist? I thought Libs uplifted the down trodden? Typical Liberal hypocrite. And yes i do know something about this subject. If you only knew. Thanks Frank you made me smile.

Perhaps the constitution stands in the way of "fundamental transformation" and "change" as promoted for questionable outcomes.

CP you are a complete idiot and your sidekick Joe/Sanchez is an ignorant fool. You know absolutely nothing about the law and what judges do, you are an ignorant poster and twin to Joe/Sanchez.

What is that sucking sound I hear? Oh, it is Looney Lorna. Why don't you give us your two cents on what the Supreme Court justices do?

FIFA, what ever makes you feel better.
Just make sure you get that anger managed properly.

CP, if the SCOTUS does not interpret the Constitution, then why would a current Supreme Court reverse a ruling of a previous Supreme Court. Show us your wisdom CP, we are waiting for you to shine.

He must have been home schooled..

Because it failed to fall within the scope of the law.

CP says"I already mentioned that i loved my Constitution. It is a democratically adopted legal document that does not change."

Psst. Here is a hint. It has changed 26 times already!

No FIFA it was Amended. Modified. The original still holds.

Ha Ha, CP says "Because it failed to fall within the scope of the law." talking about why a Supreme Court changed a ruling of a previous Supreme Court.

You are in a hole CP trying to get out, start by throwing the shovel out! Worse than having one disagree with you, is having a lot of people laughing at your ignorance. Too bad.

Even your "friends" won't defend your words, that is a bad sign for you.

So the typical libby tactic did not work on me.
Back to the original question......Frank why do you hate the 2nd Amendment?

CP - its a funny thing about that, since the SCOTUS just recently "interpreted" that the Obamacare individual mandate was allowed under "taxing" authority.

Whatcha got now?

CP, this is getting more hilarious as you type, please don't stop typing.
CP says, "No FIFA it was Amended. Modified. The original still holds." talking about the Constitution.

So is slavery still legal? Amended = Modified = Changed? I can't stop giggling out loud CP. Please don't stop tickling me!

So i provided proof. Just go read. I Googled it now you can do the rest. Talk about lazy. Everything i mentioned is documented by the facts.

CP - is there any chance? Constitutional Pinhead...

I got a hot dinner date. You obese shut ins have fun typing. Hopefully you guys feel like you won somehow on the internet! Condoms..check!

Looks like the Patch Vultures have found a new target. They will fight specific words used since they are incapable of seeing the larger picture and debating it.
Then you will get called names and slurred as soon as they begin to run out of 2 sentence replies.

Good luck CP. I recommend you do a lot of listening and don't bring up this discussion with your "hottie" or those prophylactics you bought will be used for balloons and it will be back to the shower for you.

Have a good time.

CP has a "hot dinner" date. Probably a Volcano Burrito at Taco Bell with a dozen packs of Fire sauce.

Wow Frank, FIFA and Honeyhole. You guys have been on here 12 hours straight!!!! Get a job. BTW everything i mentioned were taken from direct quotes from sitting justices. Now who is stupid? Racist? nah. Just observation. The truth always hurts. Stats don't lie. It's easy to throw that word around when you've lived in your white, jewy enclave your whole life. Lose some weight. Comb over that hair you have left. And for Gods sakes find a job.

Frank you flaming nagger! We went through that before. POLICE was used in the NRA statement 9 times. Armed guard 1 time and volunteer ZERO TIMES!
Open your small mind Frank. I posted 10 stories where school systems are posting ARMED GUARDS in their schools. An armed guard can be anyone the local school boards decide is qualified. You continue to make an utter fool of yourself but seem to have no issues doing so. You area sick sick lonely individual.

Hey nagger bugger Frank, what law prevent me from buying a full auto firearm?
Explain to everyone what a "subsidy" is.
Explain to everyone how great the economy of 1979 was Frank!
""Volcker took over the Fed in August 1979. The economy was fine at that time.""

If you insist that irrelevant physical characteristics--skin color--have anything to do with gun violence, you need treatment. You are right. I am probably not qualified, being just your good friend.

If you are making an argument that the genocide, impoverishment, and mass incarceration of a group of Americans that can be identified by skin color has occurred--and that murder rates within that community are byproducts of that institutional racism-- I will agree with you that the 38% is significant and that we should not talk about gun violence without reference to race.

Your motives ARE RELEVANT. And your latest panic-response proves it.

LOL...how about that? The "Stank" is able to do something other than stinking up Mom's basement. Now get back to changing Ike's blown out diaper, "Stank".

"Broken record"? Sounds like the little twerp can research Wikipedia too. You get a gold star today, "Stank".

Colin Powell has a lot more credibility than those of us who post anonymously on the Patch, what do you think amary?

A funny little red face on a ping pong ball defends Frank....appropriate..He is FIFA...hear him roar...

Well Bucky, you never learn when not to show up. How is your latest 9/11 conspiracy theory book coming along? Who blew up the towers? Please tell us, you say you know.

Bucky, please tell everyone about why you think they pay federal income taxes voluntarily. Why not Bucky, that is what you believe, please share that with everyone so that they know what Buck Harmon really thinks when he posts his insults?

Bucky, this is your destiny, and I will repeat your treasured beliefs every time you attack me. So keep it up, Bucky. Welcome to ridicule, you have earned it.

Poor Fido. The humiliation is a bit akin to your days in the "service" when the real men would toss you into a closet, eh Fido? LOL

I see the BlOb is back. We are still waiting for you to post anything of value besides insults. Just one item.

That's right, when your age equals your IQ you can't.

Keep on weeping, Fido. We can all see how well that's worked for you. LMAO

That funny little red face on a ping pong ball thing really makes you ROAR Fifi....
When you can afford a lesson on the Constitution, the income tax, or what really happened on 911 I'll be glad to be the one that teaches you.... for now, I don't believe it's in your budget...you don't work....that is unless Patch pays you to be a Pigeon..

C'mon Bucky. Share with everyone who blew up the Twin Towers. You say you know. Why are you so bashful. Everyone on the Patch would like to hear your theories. Don't keep it to yourself.

We also want to know how not to pay our income taxes Bucky. Share your knowledge with us, we don't want to pay either. Stop keeping it to yourself Bucky. Be fair to us.

Upon your graduation from the school of Patch Pigeons, you will be qualified to attend a course of higher learning...if you can afford it Fifi....You seem stuck in your own poo at this point, becoming a graduate Patch Pigeon seems a little out of your reach at this point as well...time will tell..save your money...

C'mon Bucky, as I am your favorite "pigeon" and you are my favorite statue, please answer my questions. You play dodge ball. Why is that? Are you embarrassed for your friends to know your "oddball" views on 9/11 and taxes. Nah, that couldn't be it, or could it?

Be careful, pigeons are highly acidic and might burn you!! Yea Bucky.

And you are my favorite filthy junkyard mutt, Fido. I understand why you don't like to talk to me though. It's tough to grit out a response when you've got a steel toed boot jammed in your rectum, eh Fido? ROTFLMAO

No doubt you are an expert in taking it all, "Stank". As effeminate as you are, the best thing you could do for yourself is be truthful for once and come out. Do it for you, "Stank".

amary, asissy, etc. You and my kitchen table have a lot in common, except my kitchen table is smarter than you. Please don't fold your white pointed hat and please make sure you hang up your white dress carefully. Please put out the bonfire when you are done.

And to all the fiscal conservatives out there - those federal dollars have to come from somewhere. Either some other program gets cut or some kind of tax or fee would be raised or created pay for it.

Just Sayin'

Lorna, my dear saccharin child -

Thanks for the entertainment, it was very enightening. I learned: If we abandon modern technology in the State of Maryland ad go back to actual ballot boxes I will put myself on high alert; and given that eventuality, I will give extra scrutiny to anyone named Cantrell that runs for County Sheriff.

Life was simpler then, wasn't it? Just Black & White and shades of Gray. I guess you enjoy it there, eh?

Instead of linking corny, made-for- TV movies, Lorna Doom, you could follow a less hysterical, more intellectual line of inquiry. http://docsouth.unc.edu/sohp/A-0352/excerpts/excerpt_3100.html#fulltext

Even this cursory look at the situation in post-WWII Tennessee will persuade a reasonable person that 1. illegal gambling at the center of the corruption is controlled in the open by state governments 2. poll taxes are illegal 3. modern media spreads allegations of corruption all over the world and 4. (much to your chagrin) hats like those in the flick are out of style.

You need to move out of TV Land and into the 21st century.

Did she call you a "Doo Doo Head" Frank? I think that's worth a visit to the State's Attorney's office. You can demand that they will charge her with a cyberstalking crime....

Sanchez, Joe Sanchez -

By that reasoning, I guess you don't think much of Arnold Schwarzenegger or John Edwards either.

His people? Jesse Jackson's or Frank's people? I suspect neither.

How is it that party politics, public relations, sexual relations and murder rates got all jumbled up, Joe?

Are you so pressed to defend your racist views that you stoop to name-calling and drag out a repudiated minister, who failed as a candidate for national office?

Tough night in the Patch, huh? Are you still locked and loaded, buddy?

You ignorant racists 1ke and others had no issue with this man saying this did you?

"Think about that, when you compare what people endured in the South in the 60s to try to get the right to vote for African Americans, and to compare what people were subjected to there to what happened in Philadelphia—which was inappropriate, certainly that…to describe it in those terms I think does a great disservice to people who put their lives on the line, who risked all, for my people,"

You people cannot think further than individual words and the larger pictures are foreign to you. Pick a word, isolate it, keep banging away at it. Alinsky would be proud of his comrades in arms.

You don't know anything about Chicago politics JoeBlob. The Daley's have controlled Chicago for decades and continue to do so.

What happened in Philadelphia? Are you holding back some important information?

Does it ever occur to you or Joe or Lorna Doom that people pop out the one-liners that denigrate racist, right-wing, gunslinger, prepper Patch-heads from smartphones during TV commercials, on elevators, during boring meetings, in between chapters of books or while reading news-laden websites? What do you think folks do, sit in a dark room waiting for more stupidity to show up on the latest thread and then start typing?

Delete your own comment and there would be an extra one left.

You do realize that she is a LaRouchite (not an actual Democrat) who also believes that all of the presidents in the last 50 years have secretly been under the control of Queen Elizabeth????

The NRA STATEMENT by Wayne La Pierre never used the term "volunteers" you ignorant racist Frank! It DID use the term 'police' 8 times. We went through that twice now and your tiny sick mind cannot comprehend even the smallest words. Go get a job deadbeat.

Volunteers????? You see what you get with your local volunteer fire companies that's would what you would get with volunteer protection officers. They may show up or they may not. Then what you have to wait for the career officers to respond to the emergency.

You're playing Silly Buggers again JoeBlob . Asa Hutchinson (The Head of the NRA's School Protection Initiative ) has mentioned the word "volunteer" in every speech he has made.

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Head-of-NRA-Serious-about-arming-school-4168726.php

OMG Stevie!!! You found the word "volunteer" again!!

Too bad I was VERY SPECIFIC in my comments before and now about Wayne La Pierre's statement, no one elses. You have no ability to comprehend that apparently.

And so what if they volunteer. Should that not be up to the local school boards, the local governments and the local parents? What do you not understand about that? Well, that is a stupid question, you understand nothing but snark.

Again Stevie the child did not read his own links.

"When the NRA finally convened a press conference Dec. 21, it was to announce that Hutchinson would head the organization's new National School Shield Program, the centerpiece of which was recruitment of a corps of trained former police officers and military personnel to serve as an armed presence in schools."

You are a stupid fool Steve with no interest in adult debate.

Asa Hutchinson said it and he is head of the NRA's School Shield program.

That Wingnut Sheriff Joe put his "militia" in the schools and it turns out some of them had criminal backgrounds. That's just what we need in the schools......armed criminal and armed zealots with rescue fantasies. What could possibly go wrong?

Looney Lorna, go back to Kansas. After you cash that pension check the rest of us pay for.

Patch editing...Pending Approval is as big a joke as these new perceived gun control tactics....

Fifi is allowed to make continuous personal attacks on all Patch threads...makes a pretty clear statement about the integrity of Patch...He is an antagonist...
Pretty sure that he's on the Patch payroll..

That is all you do Bucky towards me. You now complain?

Please explain to everyone about your 9/11 conspiracy issues. How did 9/11 happen and who is to blame? Please tell us Bucky?

Bucky, please tell everyone about how we volunteer to pay our income taxes to the federal government and how you believe it is unconstitutional. Please tell us Bucky.

Bucky, I am a freeloader, no one pays me, but clearly you are on the butthead payroll.

Lord Have Mercy dear FIFI...you are really a horse's hind parts. You appreciate secretaries...yikes, the secretaries might not be too flattered. I think you have been googling my name again darling, but looks like your reading ability is just a tad faulty...should we try to google 'FIFI'??? Well honeychild, we certainly may not know the "real" you, but guess we will have to just settle for the "faux" you and use a little psychology reading between your fractured thought processes. Yikes..why do I willingly permit myself to be drawn into this idiotic conversation...bored, I guess. Can we get back to some semblance of talk about gun control, tyranny, et al???

Looney Lorna, when you show some respect to those of us who have different views you will get that same respect back. Until that happens, which should be some time around the next solar eclipse in Maryland, you will receive only the disrespect you have earned. Until that time, please keep cashing the Maryland retirement checks that the rest of us have paid for and complain that you are not receiving enough and that others receive too much. Keep sucking at the government trough and how your "earned" it. We look forward to your enjoying life at our expense.

And so are you.

Finally.

Gee Buck, that is the first time in a long time you have used my screen name accurately! I know many business owners that will not post on the Patch because of users like you. Isn't that just amazing in a democratic state? Wow!

See Looney Lorna, as long as you disrespect me, I will continue the same. That pension check you get, who is the payor? I'll tell you, the citizens of the State of Maryland. How does it feel taking money from us that you did not earn and then complain about the hand that feeds you? Pretty good, huh? You like our money, it spends well?

Been busy spreading your bile, huh Fido? Ready to get kicked through the dirt like a good little junkyard doggie? LMAO

It's not so much the screen name FIFA, think about it...

It's the funny little red face on the ping pong ball...

That must have come from the funny little red face aspect of the FIFA being...

Looney Lorna, let me explain how your pension works. You were employed by your employer, the state of MD who receives revenues from the people of the State. Good so far? They pay you on our behalf with our money. You contribute a portion of your pay (our money) to a pension plan but the State must contribute more as well. The State gets money from us.

Thus we paid all of your pension and continue to do so? Hear that sucking sound?

Believe me, I understand calling you Looney Lorna is in exchange for your never ending insults.

Buck, as we are all getting ready to prepare our federal income tax returns, please share with everyone how it is unconstitutional and explain how we can avoid paying those taxes.

Please tell us, you are the self proclaimed expert on this subject. Please share your knowledge Buck.

FIFA...you are not capable of understanding anything that might take you out of that tiny government controlled mentality...I would recommend that you seek help from a government funded mental health facility before attempting to venture toward a life of living freely....at this point you are obviously stuck in the government mold...that would be the ping pong aspect of your being...such a shame..

Buck, just answer my question please. We want to know the answer.

Sad little FIFA...still struggling with him/herself...I wish you a speedy recovery..

The link doesn't work, my description of the FIFA "logo" is based on the content of it's posts...far from a deserted island..

sorry about the link...Wilson, where are you?

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_Away

No, Steve, no. She is a libber and a member of the international conspiracy and a scientist and you can't believe a word of that garbage. Like she actually left Maryland! Hunh! What does that have to do with anything?

Steve/FIFA/jag/1ke are what's wrong with the world and now a woman named Rosencrantz.

Give me my over and under and a Sidewinder missile and 200 grams of plutonium and I will show all you sorry excuse for Americans.

They really do try hard Lorna....they do the absolute best that they possibly can, but until the government ( pretty much a pile of crap) can dictate their next move they will remain fly's hovering over the pile as it sits. The fly's love the crap that is being put out by the government...they live for it...
Additionally...Patch editors seem very inconsistent in practice....perhaps a little lazy..

Certainly not these "Patriots".

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/2-arrested-ohio-accidentally-shooting-houses-article-1.1242141

After viewing this video I think maybe those that seriously oppose gun ownership, or the Second Amendment should consider relocating to Australia...they would be welcomed with open arms by the criminals...

Thank you for posting Honey Child...)..

And of course you will set your sights on "propaganda" that suit your way of thinking. So, so convenient!

BELIEVE, DARLING....BELIEVE!!

I don't think that Steve even reads the links that he post's..

In New York, with their freshly-signed laws, NY residents have one year to sell them out of state. As more states pass these laws, the big magazines will migrate to the states that are behind the times. If (when) the national law passes I guess it will be like Musical Chairs - don't get caught with them when the music stops.

I'd sell them off now, while you can still get something for them. Or maybe melt them down and make yourself a souvenir of "the good old days."

And with that, she transmogrifies into...Lorna Doom.

What a lovely world you live in Stevee..some folks are not quite that fortunate.

That would be considered illegal when the new MD law against magazines larger than 10 rounds passes.

Just Sayin'

Thought I might give the pigeons a little perch..

The perch better be 9 inches long, or you'll have to throw it back into the cesspool you're fishing in...

Lorna..=..)

Frank that is not surprising. Most leftists don't believe in American exceptionalism and actually have never been too fond of the US of A because they view it as a place full of a bunch of evil capitalists, religous nuts and don't like the military much either. Of course now that your guy Obama is in office, I guess some of you see the country a little more positively now as he is turning us into a progressive paradise. To quote Michelle: "for the first time in my adult life I'm proud of my country". Those words ring true Frankie?