Police Shoot Driver After Traffic Stop
A routine traffic stop in Catonsville ends with one man shot in the arm.
12:39 p.m. Update: A Baltimore County police officer shot a suspect who attempted to ram the officer's cruiser after a routine traffic stop, according to officials.
At around 11:35 a.m., an officer stopped a white late-model Toyota RAV 4 in an alley behind the 700 block of Frederick Road in Catonsville because the driver was acting suspiciously, according to Capt. John Spiroff, commander of Precinct 1/Wilkens.
The driver of the SUV attempted to ram the police car, and the officer fired his weapon once, striking the victim in the arm, according to Spiroff.
The SUV left the scene, and the officer issued a bulletin for other police to look for the vehicle, Spiroff said.
Within minutes, the vehicle was located in the parking lot of the Catonsville High School athletic field off Bloomsbury Avenue.
The suspect, described by Spiroff as a white male in his 30s, was transported by ambulance to a local hospital. He is expected to survive, Spiroff said.
Police have not yet released the identity of the suspect.
Police spokesperson Elise Armacost said that rumors that the shooting was at CHS are incorrect. The school was not on lock-down during the incident, according to Armacost.
12:19 p.m. story: Baltimore County police are on the scene of a police involved shooting that started as a routine traffic stop in Catonsville.
Police pulled over over the driver of a Toyota RAV 4 after officers observed the driver acting suspiciously. During the traffic stop, the driver attempted to drive away. The driver was ultimately shot in the arm, according to Capt. John Spiroff, commander of Precinct 1/Wilkens.
A chase of the vehicle ultimately ended near the athletic fields at Catonsville High School.
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Becky J
12:49 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
It happened closer to Catonsville Elementary. I wonder if they went into lock down or at least got the kids off of the playground.
Bruce Goldfarb
1:01 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I'll ask about that, Becky.
Chloe
1:45 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Was this 11:35 a.m. or p.m.?
Bruce Goldfarb
2:55 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
It happened in the morning
Sharon Ryan-Zinkand
1:57 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
sounded like it went down differently on the scanner... FD dispatched for a wash down at CHS (Thinking blood)
Bruce Goldfarb
2:57 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
The suspect was shot on Smith Lane in Catonsville, drove down Bloomsbury, and made it as far as the athletic field parking lot off Hilltop. Police tell me that by the time they arrived on the scene, the suspect was already out of the vehicle and on the ground. That is the scene that needs cleaning up.
M. Sullivan
2:07 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
First, the driver attempted to drive away and was shot. Then, oh "he attempted to ram the police car". The second story justifies shooting, while the first, not so much. What's the real story? Is there dashcam video?
Bruce Goldfarb
2:56 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
According to county police spokeswoman Elise Armacost, Baltimore County police cruisers are not equipped with dash cams.
M. Sullivan
3:03 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
That's convenient.
Other Tim
3:44 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
You watch too much television (dashcam video). If the cops say someone was trying to run them down, I believe them, and I believe they should shoot the fool. Why always blame the cops? Hope you never need them.
M. Sullivan
3:49 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Other Tim, I'm not blaming anyone, just asking the question. The day we can no longer question the actions of our law enforcement officers is the day we no longer live in the United States. Don't be a sheeple.
Other Tim
3:57 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Adding a condescending "oh" to your comment and adding "That's convenient" to your next post says you are doing more than "just asking the question".
M. Sullivan
4:01 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Just exactly who are you to judge the tone of my comments? Take a hike, "Other Tim".
CathyOrange
4:33 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Sullivan - Your tone was pretty clear, why even question that what you said was condescending? At least have the backbone to back it up or admit you were wrong. Pretty pathetic.
M. Sullivan
4:54 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Well Cathy, since you decided to jump in, I'll explain. First, there are two versions of the story in the space of 1/2 hour. Second, while one version justifies shooting, the other does not. I am not by any stretch of the imagination, on the criminal's side, but I am also wary of police who use unnecessary force and make up circumstances to justify it. Nothing condescending, just suspicious, given the two stories.
Paul Shepard
2:52 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Discharging a weapon in downtown Catonsville at midday under these circumstances seems excessive. I hope the police get out in front of this fast.
Rob
3:05 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
"A routine traffic stop..."
There is no such thing as a routine traffic stop.
Dave Shackelford
3:11 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
There is no such thing as a routine traffic stop. Perhaps additional information is needed before those willing to condemn the police for their actions do so and it will come out as investigation proceeds.
Bruce Goldfarb
3:27 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I am working on a follow-up story. It wasn't a traffic stop like you think, driving down the street. The car was parked on a lot outside of an auto shop. An officer was on routine patrol in the business district and was checking cars on the lot. According to the police, the car was parked in a peculiar way. The cop ran the tags, and the car came back as stolen in Carroll County.
Harry Callahan
3:46 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
No matter what happens, it seems like there is someone on this board who is willing to blame the police. Before you say anything about the incident why don't you wait until the evidence is in. And even then, you will never be able to measure the "gut feeling" that the officer had when he/she looked at this vehicle BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT THERE WITH him/her.. As it turns out, it appears that his/her "gut feeling" was correct if, as stated in the story, the car was a stolen car. If all the facts are true, I'm only sorry that the officer's aim was not good enough to issue this guy a one-way ticket to meet Jesus. Now my tax dollars are going to be used to house, feed, protect, and provide medical care and legal assistance to this guy. What we really need in this state is a statute and a staff of employees who will file damage claims against convicted criminals to make them pay restitution to the taxpayers for the costs of the service I outlined above.
Red Dolphin
9:18 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
you are right, 100% let;s wait and see if his or her or any ones elses life was in danger. let's see how it gets covered up like so many other times
Buck Harmon
9:06 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
This is the norm with shoot first...aim later reporting...lets create an illusion of what supposedly happened in an effort to "get the scoop"..and learn the facts later. Meanwhile, opinions ..like a holes can begin to fester...great service to the community .
Bruce Goldfarb
12:54 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
What do you mean by "shoot first...aim later reporting," Buck? Is there an issue with my work?
Steve
4:09 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
What we really need is a Civillian Review Board.
Other Tim
7:21 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Absolutely! I just hope M. Sullivan isn't on it.
Red Dolphin
9:19 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
right on Steve!!
Michael
9:20 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
The majority of the civilians who live in Baltimore County are not qualified to judge the actions of a police officer acting in the line of duty. Just read the comments of the people on these boards any time an officer uses force of any kind. As a former Baltimore County Police Officer, I would be truly worried if any of them had the power to judge my actions.
Other Tim
9:47 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Michael, you are probably right. In a perfect world, the Civilian Review Board would be made up of a few very select, highly qualified experts. In real life, it would probably be staffed with political cronies.
Joe
4:13 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
That alley is an odd place to just sit. If it was a stolen car, was he waiting or working with the auto shop there or is it a chop shop? I am not making accusations but simply asking an investigative question.
Red Dolphin
4:50 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
you;re smart in covering youself Joe, you might be "attacked" if you ask any questions no one's questioning the offiicers Integrity........... is what the officer did proper procedure ?(oops I hope "other Tim" doesnt mind me asking a questiuon
Other Tim
7:27 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
What is a "questiuon"? And if you don't think M. Sullivan was questioning the officer's integrity in his first post, read it again. Sometimes the way things are said tell the true story. And, yes, I do mind your asking a question, because your questions usually don't make any sense.
John
5:03 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Just remember cops try to do their job and come home to their families just like anyone else. Most of society can judge what happened not thinking about how cops deal with that stuff day in and day out on a daily basis. You go to work and deal with murderers, drug dealers, rapists and child abusers and let me know if your gun wouldn't come out to make it home safe to your family! That sounds a little more convenient...
Matt
5:29 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Exactly. For everyone here that wants to "Monday Morning Quarterback" the incident, how about you apply to your local department, graduate from their academy and start working a post. Lets see how much your perspective changes.
Red Dolphin
9:15 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
right John so they get away with shooting a man in the back ? they are supposed to be trained to avoid that kind of stuff
Red Dolphin
9:22 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
you cant address the issue you have to critique typos ? is that all you have?
Who is this
6:11 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
What's next the car wasnt even stolen? The police must have planted that stolen car after randomly shooting some innocent citizen.
Better yet...they probably shot him days ago...needed the cover up so they stole the vehicle...drove the stolen vehicle to the lot and made up this whole entire ordeal.
Not holding the responsible party responsible is what is wrong with this country. Kid brings gun to school blame the school not the 10-15 years of bad parenting.
Cop shots driver trying to run him over...must be a cover up.
Robber gets shot by business owner after several break ins...owner shouldnt have a gun.
You liberal feel good idiots. How many are fleeing into Baltimore City where they condone the actions of criminals and condemn the actions of police? Last I looked the city is losing population....probably because it's over ran by liberal idiots running the place...put in place by liberal voters.
The same folks who vote liberal to help these "poor black folks" are the same ones who call 911 as soon as they see a "unknown black male" walking down the street.
You cant have it both ways.
Joe
6:32 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Matt, I assume you are a LEO. Thank you if you are. This is the kind of thing you hate to go through right? Any time you discharge your service firearm you go through a hellish review. You also deserve to go home to your family before a perp like this does. You are only guilty of doing your job. I believe this officers training may have saved his life if as reported.
Steve
6:32 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
LOL The population of the City has been declining for 44 years.
Red Dolphin
9:12 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
who remembers the case on Kirk Ave when the poice officer shot and killed a man at a "routine traffic stop" when the driver started to "drift foward" I believe the officer claimed,,,,,,,,,,, they do that all the time,they start to drive off because they know their license is suspended or revoked ,,,,,,,,,,,, no justifcation by a trained law officer to shoot and kill,,,,,,,,, ever hear of the term "throw down". that whwn the cops throw down a gun and say that was the gun the person had ( who they shot)
who remembers he Juan McGee case ? innocent man shot by the cops at the Freedom Shopping center on Erdman ave (ironinc name for the shopping center huh? oh he didnt die , he was paralyzed from the waist down., trigger happy police-ing
Red Dolphin
9:17 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
who remembers the case on Kirk Ave when the poice officer shot and killed a man at a "routine traffic stop" when the driver started to "drift foward" I believe the officer claimed,,,,,,,,,,, they do that all the time,they start to drive off because they know their license is suspended or revoked ,,,,,,,,,,,, no justifcation by a trained law officer to shoot and kill,,,,,,,,, ever hear of the term "throw down". that whwn the cops throw down a gun and say that was the gun the person had ( who they shot)
who remembers he Juan McGee case ? innocent man shot by the cops at the Freedom Shopping center on Erdman ave (ironinc name for the shopping center huh? oh he didnt die , he was paralyzed from the waist down., trigger happy police-ing
[posted twice cause they might no apptrove of my conet ( censor ship runs rampant these days
Red Dolphin
9:20 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
gee "other tim" you cant address the issue you have to critique typos ? is that all you have?
Red Dolphin
9:28 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
personal attacks is that your style? how far in school did you go ? or can I ask are you "holier than thou" ? is that logical thinkng Tim, all you can do is attack the persons poor typing?
Other Tim
9:43 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
You Said:
"you are right, 100% let;s wait and see if his or her or any ones elses life was in danger. let's see how it gets covered up like so many other times".
"right John so they get away with shooting a man in the back ? they are supposed to be trained to avoid that kind of stuff"
"who remembers the case on Kirk Ave when the poice officer shot and killed a man at a "routine traffic stop" when the driver started to "drift foward" I believe the officer claimed,,,,,,,,,,, they do that all the time,they start to drive off because they know their license is suspended or revoked ,,,,,,,,,,,, no justifcation by a trained law officer to shoot and kill,,,,,,,,, ever hear of the term "throw down". that whwn the cops throw down a gun and say that was the gun the person had ( who they shot)
who remembers he Juan McGee case ? innocent man shot by the cops at the Freedom Shopping center on Erdman ave (ironinc name for the shopping center huh? oh he didnt die , he was paralyzed from the waist down., trigger happy police-ing"
(I would use "sic" where necessary, but afraid I might run out of space.)
You feel you can attack all police actions (and other people), but anyone dares say anything that you don't like, and you get offended.
Sorry, that's not the way it works.
Real Name
9:28 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Red Tuna:
So you can name a handful of "bad actions" and that apparently lumps every police action under the "bad" heading.
That's impressive.
You know once I got a steak...it was meduim when I wanted meduim-well. Every cook is awful right?
When these officers leave their house and miss Christmas morning because someone might decide they'll do you harm that day please dont bother to call.
Other Tim
9:32 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Amen.
Red Dolphin
10:04 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
"the way it works" ? oh do you mean our justice system ? I quoted several cases already,,,,,, allyou waont to do is answer by pointing out "typographical errors im betting on a covier up
Michael
9:36 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
I will be the first to agree that the justice system is broken, having worked in it. But blanket statements that lump all police officers into the same group is not accurate or fair to the officer involved here. Your point might be better made though if any of the cases you cited had happened in Baltimore County, where you rarely see police misconduct due to the level of training and supervision, and not in Baltimore City, where the issues with the police department have been well documented.
Red Dolphin
3:42 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
I was wrong to lump them together ( i should know better) you are correct both cases I cited did happen in the city.and I lnw theres a humungous difference between balto co officers and those of the city,I know it first hand BIG TIME ! ( lying city cops! ) no integrity,,,,,,,,,,, like the one that shot the USMC in Mt vernon last year ( convicted right ?) not his first time either,,,,,,,,,, the city cop that was just convicted .( yes convicted) of sellinh heroin on the PLoice station parking lot just a few months ago ( all typos are excusable thank you)
Dave A.
10:30 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
None of that has anything to do with this story.... Back to the story at hand..
If this guy made an attempt to run over or ram the police officer or his car it indicates a righteous shooting. A one ton car is a weapon, in this case it appears as indicated to be this fellows weapon of choice. If this went down as updated then so be it.
Someone mentioned earlier the words "Routine Traffic Stop" and that there is nothing 'Routine" about a traffic stop. That is a play on words or the police "Lingo" if you will for stopping a car with probable cause (suspicious activity). I am sure the tags didn't come back with a "hit" for the stolen until the officer had exited the car and approached the vehicle. Hence this is how the officer feared for his safety as the suspect attempted to flee..... If it all went down that way.
We are still in the USA.... Innocent until proven guilty. This applies not only to the suspect AS WELL AS THE OFFICER INVOLVED!
WE can all Monday Morning Quarterback this stuff. If you REALLY want to know what happened go to the court hearings for this case!
Public safety is always scrutinized. We are damned if we do, damned if we don't! You did not get here quick enbough officer, You handled that suspect a little roughly officer (forget about the fact he resisted).... I could go on and on, but that will be for my book...... Lighten up folks, we do the best we can with what we have. WE are not on every corner!