O'Malley Warns of More Budget Cuts, Tax Increases
Pipkin: Governor "spells out a world where the pie’s not big enough and the revenue is not big enough."
Gov. Martin O’Malley warned county leaders to be ready for more state budget cuts and possibly tax increases when the General Assembly meets in January.
“We will all have to be open to more cuts, and at the same time—to protect our children’s future—we must be open to new revenues,” O’Malley said Saturday in a nearly 25 minute speech to county leaders at the Maryland Association of Counties conference in Ocean City.
"One year I hope to be able to come before you and proclaim a return to full employment, a restoration of all highway user dollars and other state grants," O'Malley said. "One year I hope to come here and proclaim the existence of a giant, deficit-slaying surplus. But that year isn't this year."
The governor met with county leaders prior to the speech but apparently offered no more insights into the potential new revenue streams he said are needed than were in his speech.
“The bottom line is there are so many uncertainties that my sense is it’s difficult for the governor to give too many specifics about the upcoming budget and where we’re headed without knowing what’s happening in Washington,” said Ken Ulman, Howard County executive and MACo president.
Increases to the sales and gas tax are just two thought to be on the table. Some legislators had been predicting those increases could come up when the General Assembly returns to Annapolis in October to redraw the state’s eight congressional districts.
The governor offered no specifics about new or increased taxes in his speech. He declined to provide specifics afterwards to reporters before he headed to the beach.
Both O’Malley and House Speaker Michael Busch both said that, barring a dramatic change at the federal level, any discussion on taxes would not take place until the 2012 session which begins in January.
“It’s a better opportunity to discuss the overall vision and direction of the state during the period when you’re dealing with the budget of the state of Maryland, which is during the 90 day session,” said Busch, an Anne Arundel County Democrat. “Unless there’s some kind of catastrophe that comes about because of the federal government, I think we’re better off waiting for the 90-day session.”
O'Malley, during his speech, highlighted what he said was the state's interdependence on ongoing federal issues including a new so-called super committee charged with finding more than $1 trillion in cuts to the federal budget. Those cuts are not likely to be known until late December— weeks before O’Malley would be expected to deliver his budget to state legislators.
“Any further help from Washington is doubtful, and more serious hurt to all state economies -- from the narrow-minded faction of jobs-obstructionist in Congress -- is very likely,” O’Malley said. “We must be willing to adapt; ready to meet what may come from our Congress by December with the balanced approach necessary to move our state forward.”
O’Malley called Republicans in Congress “economic saboteurs.”
At least one leading state Republican legislator said he was unimpressed with O’Malley’s speech.
Sen. E.J Pipkin, an Eastern Shore Republican, called O’Malley’s speech “way out of balance and way out of touch.”
O’Malley “spells out a world where the pie’s not big enough and the revenue is not big enough,” Pipkin said. “I think that’s the wrong view.”
“I don’t think that Maryland, by any objective benchmark, is under-taxed,” said Sen. E.J. Pipkin, an Eastern Shore Republican. “People aren’t coming up to me and saying they want to be taxed more.”
“This is a governor talks about more taxes and more spending and it’s time to stop digging the hole,” Pipkin said.
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helpussomeone
4:28 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Owe'Malley at his finest!
Roxane
4:45 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Pipkin is right. OweMalley just wants to keep spending, spending, spending. So get ready, fellow taxpayers, here comes the hand in your pocket again. Oh I forgot, we're supposed to bend down and praise the king for the one week of limited tax free shopping for school clothes. While he's at the beach, he ought to take a ride up to the Rehoboth Oulets.... You can't even get a parking space there this week and it's tax free ALL THE TIME. They do right for their citizens.
Ed Jr.
4:46 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Who is more disingenuous, O'Malley or Obama?
Tim
2:18 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
O'Malley, hands down.
It's not even close. I can find redeeming qualities in our President. Especially since he's decided to come to the center since the 2010 elections. Honestly, President O'Bama is the only centrist in Washington these days.
As far as O'Malley goes, like that bumper sticker says - don't blame me, I voted for Ehrlich.
Elizabeth
4:54 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
That weasel! God, I can't stand that man! Why people would relect him? He is one of the worst governors. Raising taxes in a depression? What planet is he from? Impeach O'Malley.
David Robier
11:26 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Unfortunately, the Maryland Constitution doesn't provide for impeachment of the Governor. Alas, we are stuck with this money grabber for the duration of his term.
Once again I'll repeat my chant, Vote the incumbents out! It's the only way they will learn that they are supposed to serve us. We do not need, nor do we want, career politicians!!!!!!
Robert Armstrong
11:47 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Well maybe it's a good thing, Otherwise Lazy Bob Ehrlich would have only lasted only a couple of weeks.
Robert Armstrong
5:11 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
I've got a great idea! Why don't we act like Fools and have a Tea Party!! That'll really show him!
Ed Jr.
5:37 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Thank goodness for the Tea Party. Finally, we have a group of Americans willing to standup to spineless politicians that have done nothing but live on credit for the last 40 years.
JeffreyB
7:07 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Yes, really, let's have a Tea Party. Let's have more folks calling for smaller govt, lower taxes, reduced spending, and fiscal responsibility. Please, please, please! (this is not sarcasm). All O'Malley knows is tax and spend.
Elizabeth
6:17 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Hmmm, comparing teabaggers with a Nazi? Kind of like the VP saying teabaggers are terrorists I smell a socialist. Seems like someone never learned the life skill to live within their means from their parents or math teachers. Seems like someone never learned to have a work ethic and that the government is the answer for your survival. Sounds like a whiney child not liking being told no more candy. Someone has to pay for the candy. I never could understand the liberal "entitlement" belief. Maybe they should have paid more attention in Social Studies classes about the history of the original tea party?
Robert Armstrong
6:57 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
I am not comparing anything. I was just wondering what happened to that Tea Party favorite and Young Gun Rich Iott. Don't you remember him??
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/10/why-is-this-gop-house-candidate-dressed-as-a-nazi/64319/
I already know what happened to the Tea Party Witch O'Donnell. You can't hardly turn on the TV without seeing her these days. It's becoming more and more painful watching the "Corndog Queen" Bachman self destruct.
johnny towson
8:50 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Seriously Robert? That is where your mind has wandered? Who is the disturbed one? OM wants to raise taxes in State that is losing its private companies residents to neighboring states and dependent upon an institutional and Federally funded economy that is going to be facing a potentially devastating defunding threat. And your concern is a would be politician from Ohio? We want people with ideas, humility and the ability to execute government functions and not ideological legislators looking to make a career on oppressing tax payers. Check your hardware and make sure it is still attached.
Nick
10:19 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Like many liberals whenever Robert is faced with someone with fresh ideas and a sense of fiscal responsibility he resorts to disinformation and name calling. Instead of coming up with positive ideas to actually help avert economic disaster he tries to deflect the issue with some archaic reference or blatant instigation. I am hard pressed to think of anything positive that O'malley has done for our state. Certainly his fiscal policies are as inept as Obama's and that is the reason that businesses are fleeing our state. Lets look at his former office as mayor of Baltimore City. He did a wonderful job of taxing the dwindling base of taxpayers to the point that no one wants to move there and then passed the buck to his protege Steala Dixon. These are the kind of people this state has historically elected to office and now it is time to pay the piper. We cannot continue to spend money with no regard to the consequences. Our federal meal ticket will soon expire and this state will have to face the sobering reality that you cannot spend more than you make and taxing people to pay for the things you cannot afford will only further complicate the problem. It's a shame that there are so many people like Robert who just refuse to see the light until it is too late. Ironically, once it reaches that point they (extreme liberals) always seem to find someone else to point the finger at (like the tea party) instead of owning up to the mess that they made.
Lisa
8:20 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Geez I wonder who will be left paying these high taxes when people decide to leave this state and move elsewhere.....Oh that would be the liberals that's right ....
JeffreyB
7:12 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
That's right, Lisa. Just like California and New York, they're already fleeing MD. Only Robert (above) and his ilk will be left to pay the taxes. They want it; let them!
johnny towson
8:37 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Martin is no longer interested in Maryland affairs. His rhetoric indicates that he is focused on a national democratic agenda. "the narrow-minded faction of jobs-obstructionist in Congress" in a speech about Maryland's economic future; almost in the same breath as limiting Counties autonomy and citing arrogantly that the Counties get their authority from the State- I wonder if he wanted to add that we citizens get our freedoms from the Governor? Governor OM is dangerous and his agenda needs to be carefully monitored. I hope KK, Ulman and the Board of PW stand up for us. The best thing OM can do for us is for him to do nothing. Leave us alone and let us take care of our own communities, counties and state.
Annie
10:18 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
This is the governor that raised our sales tax 20%. This is the governor that is taking the cost for commuters in Harford and Cecil Counties up 900% over the next two years so he can continue to fund the ICC in one of the richest counties in the US...
This is the governor that is running businesses and tax payers that can afford to move out of state.
His unemployment rate only looks good because of the government employed around DC while Baltimore City and other areas are at alarming high percentages.
This man has hitched his wagon to the Obama agenda. It's too bad that Maryland doesn't have a recall law (something that the state legislature should change).
The state legislature should stand up and say no to higher taxes since O'Malley already proved the last time that when you raise taxes...revenues actually drop.
Donald Gray
10:50 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Anne, Is right on!! Owe'Malley now has to PAY (thru us taxpayers) for all his ridiculous lies and deceits. He is a man who claimed to have STOPPED BGE with their rate increase. Only to have them postponed till AFTER the election to make him look good. Attack Ehrlich's PCS members as being in BGE's pocket, only to replace them with his on people who did nothing as the BGE rates increased. Then gave them a 42% pay increase!!! The man has NO SHAME!!! He delayed ALL the Maryland deficits till now that he is no longer able to run for governor. Let's hope (for all our sake) that the voters THIS TIME see him for what he is (as he runs for senate or some other office) and gets him out of all elected offices.
Nick
11:07 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Lets remember that not only did Maryland have to foot the bill for Owe'Malley's postponement of the inevitable BGE price increase brought on by Paris Glendenings implementation of a price ceiling; they had to pay the interest on the loan that he used to postpone the price increase. O'malley is a typical politician who uses sleight of hand to postpone debt until he will no longer be held accountable. His budget proposals have proven his pass the buck policies over and over again. I guess the rainy day fund and stimulus were meant to balance our state budgets. But hey it's ok, we'll just raise the sales tax, increase the beverage tax, tax technology companies, double the fee for registering a vehicle, raise property taxes, and increase the tolls on the highways to pay for it. That will almost certainly draw businesses to our state and stimulate job growth. Lets not forget that we have to bear the burden of illegal immigrants with this budget too. We are all going to have to make sacrifices to make this state prosper.
john
10:20 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
I wonder how much money would be saved if Marylander's did not have to support all of O'Malleys Mexican friends. Legal and illegal. And you wonder why he needs more money.
John
11:22 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Oh, yeah, things were so wonderful before the O'Malley years. It rained money for the sky. Gas was free and you could travel anywhere in the state and never paid for tolls. Yeah, I'm living in the same fantasy world as the republicans writing on this page. Oh, no, time to wake up. Yeah, it wasn't that great but now we can blame O'Malley and Bobby Boy had nothing to do with the hole we are sinking in. Let's take an honest look at history sometime shall we?
amdactivist
11:34 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
John as a many year democrat, I now put my faith in most republcans. I can see the corruption inmd. I can see how omalley is pushing to the max with higher food, gas,*omalley wants another $1.00 tax added to gas*, utilities, speed and red light camers, Higher tolls, fines, permits. Everything has risen in cost drastically. Yet taxpayers pay $2billion a year to illegal aliens and $1billion a year in Md. goes to their children through grade 12 and because of the dream act that is a nightmare to voters, we expected to subsidize all illegal aliens in college and can come from all over our country to get lower cost college using our tax $$.. This is true and things omalley won't tell you. He caters to illegals "his New americans" John, because they vote. Welfare is now at 30% fraud and food stamp in Md. is #2 in the country for fraud. Maryland is #50 in america for job creation yet New americans working all our large outfits like whiting/turner/ akehurst/ many builders etc because they are omalley's campaign supporters. Illegal aliens are voting. Voter fraud is outrageously high in md california,nevada and a few others. They keep the corrupt in office. Omalley, viva la babs and others are corrupt. Corrupt = Tax $$ for political gain.
Tim
2:27 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
that's interesting, amdactivist.
As a long standing Republican all my life, I've basically abandoned the party due to their fiscal policies today. The Tea Party has brought some good, but it's (in my mind) to the point now where the good they do is about to turn bad.
They have forced Democrats to become centrists. However their complete unwillingness to raise taxes to any degree whatsoever flies in the face of common sense fiscal policy (much less debt reduction).
I will now vote Democrat (nationally) until these idiots in the Republican party kick Grover out of power and start allowing for both tax increases (especially on the mega wealthy, but not alone) and tax reform for corporations. Revenue increasing PLUS major cuts (with cuts comprising the appreciable majority) are the only realistic way to bring our debt down.
Cuts alone will do nothing more then promote class warfare. It's happening all around the world, and the seeds - the very beginnings - are occurring in cities around this country today.
Charles Smith
6:55 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
This is the price we pay for living in a state full of democrats
JeffreyB
7:18 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Just wait until 2012 & beyond. The libs are going to come unglued.
Neil B
7:51 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
They raised the budget 10.6 percent to cover the fact that the stimulus money is going away. They need to protect the jobs they created. I wish they would understand government does not create jobs.
Katie
8:21 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Wow, just how low will the left stoop? First they tax us into oblivion, then they send in the trolls? Just boggles my mind.
amdactivist
8:56 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
omalley gets re-elected because he is a bendover for illegals and casa .. they all vote.. Voter fraud at its finest and this idiot wants to be VP and obama's bendover..
amdactivist
8:59 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
http://www.wbaltv.com/video/28558460/detail.html
Illegal aliens are stealing your childrens id, social security numbers etc. Voter fraud and irs fraud..
Neil B
12:03 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
It is a felony too!
Rick
10:28 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Boggles my mind. How many programs are there for people who choose not to contribute? And how high must taxes be to pay for it?
Dottie Cordwell
10:56 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Welcome to Maryland, what's in Your Wallet?
Tim
2:19 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
I LOL'd.
Butch Jansen
4:47 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Great statement Dottie!
amdactivist
11:12 am on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Maryland taxpayers are footing the bill for a couple hundred thousand illegal aliens on the system, welfare and freebies , using fake/stolen ids and we paying for it..Thank God for the large bust last week in fells point who was making thousands of fake ids for illegals. They profited $1.6 million in 3 years off illegals. Maryland is now
#2 in country for food stamp fraud and welfare is 30% fraud while maryland ranks #50 for job creation *for citizens of course* while omalley allows his "new americans" to work our jobs and caters to his big campaign supporters like "whiting and Turner and many others who hire thousands of illegal aliens .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2ue6wjPu6K8
Mitch Mitchell
2:59 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
DO YOU HEAR WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING GOV.O'MALLEY. Or dont' your flonkies read all this? .
amdactivist
3:58 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Tim, you vote democrat and I'll vote the most conservative who is not spending our $$ on programs that don't exist and illegal aliens that are laughing their ass off at the democrats they vote into office who allow them to break the rules and steal our $$, jobs and give drugs to our kids and allowed to vote the creeps back into office. Like I said, I am a democrat and both parties through the years have screwed us but for now, the republicans are trying very hard to stop all the $$ going to lazy arses and programs that benefit the ceo's only. And for now, i'll call myself one of those tea partiers who believe we've been asleep to long and now we vote out the crooks and corrupt..
Tim
4:51 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
AMD: Republicans are taking it too far, that's the problem for me. The Tea Party had value in reversing the free spending of the 2000's. However, in my mind, they've passed the point of being beneficial, and into the realm of equally detrimental to the country as the problems they formed to combat. They've tipped the scale too far in the other direction - with no plans on stopping.
I fundamentally agree with Republicans/Tea party folks on spending. However as I said it is an irrational and inexcusable flaw to ban ALL tax revenue streams, whether they be individual or corporate.
Unlike those morons at the last Republican debate, I'd WELCOME a 1 to 5 ratio of tax increases to cuts. Really, we just need 1 to 3, in my mind. 1 to 5 alone is really risky.
When they all - even Huntsman - said they wouldn't agree to a 1 to 10 ratio of taxes to cuts...I cringed.
There is no way a rational person can actually support this type of deficit reduction.. Cuts work - to a point. These same geniuses who want to cut everything will one day realize how foolish and short sighted this is.
If I was tasked with cutting 5 trillion from spending in the next 10 years (a fairly ambitious total), I'd do it 4 to 1. 4 trillion in cuts, 1 trillion in new taxes and corporate tax reform. I'd wager the bulk of this trillion would be garnered by simply lowering the corporate tax rate (yes, lower) and removing most loopholes and subsidies.
Robert Armstrong
4:59 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
The Tea PArty people have a hard time of practicing what they preach. Just look at Joe Walsh.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/6720892-418/tea-party-rep.-joe-walsh-sued-for-100000-in-child-support
Robert Armstrong
5:03 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
ROTFLMAO The Tea Party at it's finest. "The Party of Fiscal Responsibility".
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/tea-party-patriots-investigated-part-3
Tim
6:36 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Robert: Most national level politicians don't practice what they preach.
Robert Armstrong
4:12 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
I have never read a thread with so much disinformation and downright lies. "'$2 Billion to illegals"??? " Giving drugs to our kids"???
.......and if I was Whiting and Turner I would sue your arse. They don't hire any "illegals".
Nick
1:34 am on Monday, August 22, 2011
I've worked on many Whiting and Turner jobs and I can assure with 100% certainty that although they do not directly employ illegals they do employ subcontractors that almost exclusively employ illegals. Frankly, since they are the ones in control of the money I don't really see the difference.
Robert Armstrong
9:19 am on Monday, August 22, 2011
You can't say anything about the subject with 100% certainty. Have you looked at their employment papers?
Nick
4:37 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
Yes I can Robert. You have no idea what position I hold or what I do for a living and when I say that I am 100% certain, that is exactly what I mean.
Robert Armstrong
4:40 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
Then if you are 100% sure they are "illegal" then why don't you call ICE?
You are full of Dookie.
Bart
4:32 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Hoo boy!!!! Tin foil hats all around!
Butch Jansen
5:02 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
O'Malley needs to go and this is a good reason to pursue mandatory term limits for all elected politicians. We need to take care of our own people first America and not everyone else's problems. The government has created "generational dependency" to the point where 50% of the people that do not pay taxes are demanding MORE entitlements. And the liberal democrats want to oblige them claiming that its just morally correct. Its not morally correct to take from those whom are willing to work and do and then give their hard earned money to those whom do not want to work because they have a "why should I work mentality because the government will give it to me!" People need to be mindful of history....
Butch Jansen
5:05 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Some relevant quotes of a great founding father of this nation states it well:
"The conclusion then, is, that neither the representatives of a nation, nor the whole nation itself assembled, can validly engage debts beyond what they may pay in their own time." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison,
"There does not exist an engine so corruptive of the government and so demoralizing of the nation as a public debt. It will bring on us more ruin at home than all the enemies from abroad against whom this army and navy are to protect us." --Thomas Jefferson to Nathaniel Macon, 1821
Butch Jansen
5:06 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
"Then I say, the earth belongs to each of these generations during its course, fully and in its own right. The second generation receives it clear of the debts and incumbrances of the first, the third of the second, and so on. For if the first could charge it with a debt, then the earth would belong to the dead and not to the living generation. Then, no generation can contract debts greater than may be paid during the course of its own existence." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789
Butch Jansen
5:27 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." - Thomas Jefferson
Butch Jansen
5:33 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson
Butch Jansen
5:37 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
An appropriate statement which I attribute to our recent Tea Party citizens making their voices be heard!
ralahinn1
5:37 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Senior O'Malley needs the new tax money for his friends at Casa de Maryland
Robert Armstrong
5:41 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Whaaat! Bob Ehrlich gave more $$ to CASA than the Governor did.
Butch Jansen
5:41 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
"Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the
wars of the world.” - Thomas Jefferson
Tim
6:44 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
The irony of all this, imo, is that all you people railing on O'Malley (and I'm one of them, to an extent) fail to see why this is happening.
Less federal spending (thanks to your beloved Tea Party) = more pain for states, who aren't allowed to run trillion dollar deficits.
Then, when Baltimore County has to make cuts in programs or deny proposals you like (example: A/C for schools), it'll be because of less State funding available. This all rolls downhill.
I don't have an issue with this raising taxes/cutting spending in general (as noted in other comments above). I have issues with HOW O'Malley spends to begin with, though. This is where I agree with Libertarians - to an extent.
Bart
9:49 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
The burden runs downhill all the way to the people who can least afford it: the poor, the elderly and the disabled. All while the billionaires pay less, as a percentage of their income than the average middle income family. This isn't right.
Tim
11:31 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Bart: I agree. Then the Billionaires fabricate jedi-mind trick statistics saying how 45-50% of Americans don't pay federal tax, when truth is, it's because they don't earn enough money to do so!
Butch Jansen
11:31 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
TEA party = Taxed Enough Already! Like most average citizens and families, the government (Federal/State/Local) need to live/operate within their means and not on unlimited credit spending at the burden of the 50% whom do pay their taxes....I'm a Republican and I applaud the Tea Party for taking a stand when the overwhelming majority of liberal Democrats and some of my own Republicans won't. If we average "Joe American's" have to stay within our budget, so does Annapolis and Washington.
Tim
1:07 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
Butch: I simply don't agree. If you think our taxes are bad, you should look around the world. Americans have it easy.
All I'm saying is, you tea party people need to remember all this "living within your means" bluster when a couple years from now you don't get the same services and local funding from our government as we used to. Whether its highway upkeep, parks/rec funding, school upkeep, snow cleanup funding, I could go on and on.
There's a balancing point between cuts and tax hikes, and it's considerably more on the side of cuts then hikes. Still, without appropriate tax hikes and tax reform (at both the state and national level) this country will continue to degrade both socially and economically. History has proven this out.
Nick
4:52 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
Tim, the amount of waste that in our federal government is deplorable. I find it hard to understand why we need to raise taxes again when so much money is simply thrown away. Perhaps every federal agency should be subjected to an independent audit to find more revenues before we propose more tax increases. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-tom-coburn-criticizes-wasteful-government-programs-2010/story?id=12437190
Why should taxpayers continue to be forced to throw money at these kinds of programs. Though I generally don't agree with totalitarian statements like the tea party stance of no taxes period, I am glad that they exist to help to counteract some of the wanton spending engaged upon by our congressional leaders and the current administration. I think that the implementation of a national sales tax on all purchases not necessary to survival in lieu of income tax would be a way to solve alot of this countries problems. Who cares if we have illegal immigrants if they have to pay the same taxes as everyone else. And the super rich wouldn't be able to get around paying taxes because they have to spend their money on something. It's just a thought but our current system obviously doesn't work and I think that if everyone were forced to pay their fair share the overall burden on the middle class would be drastically reduced.
Ed Jr.
6:05 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
Tim,
Nick summed it up nicely. It is really scary how some lefties just don't get it. Unfortunately we are getting to a point in American Society where there are more receivers than payers. Once that point is reached, the receivers will continue to vote themselves ever bigger slices of a pie that someone else has baked.
Americans are generous, but there is no need to give more to bloated local, state, and federal governments until they show true reform in how they spend it.
Tim
9:31 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
Nick,
I appreciate Tom Coburn's relatively impartial budget mindset. I agree with the bulk of your argument. I am anti-Tea party because of their staunch refusal to accept anything even resembling tax reform.
This country needs both tax reform AND spending reform. I agree that the Tea party has done some good - I've simply said they are going too far now.
I would love to see independent auditing of all government spending (federal, state, county). I am all for trimming true waste.
I just consider the mega wealthy only paying 15% (give or take) taxes on investments and hedge funds when they SHOULD be paying the max rate of 35% to be waste as well, in it's own way. Because like bad spending, it's money the government SHOULD have. Same goes for other tax loopholes, and all the subsidies that are completely unnecessary. Same goes with all of these mega corporations not paying anywhere near the "35% corporate tax rate".
Some subsidies have merit, but today many don't.
I just can't get into the Republican mindset of today that is all or nothing. No taxes, no tax reform, all cuts. Conveniently benefits the rich.
Cassandra Umoh
8:39 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Thanks for the update. Had a chance to visit a White House Community Leaders Briefing. Much different perspective from the Federal Level on the Budget. Social problems will always exist. Why can't we just focus on solutions instead of Democrats vs Republicans. Where are we headed folks? Those who came before us dealt with greater issues than we can ever imagine. Thank goodness I am an optimist.
Bart
9:45 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
How right you are, Cassandra! The U. S. is still far and away the richest, most powerful nation in the world. Even the recent debt ceiling "panic" has little to do with the reality of the US's ability to pay its debts, and everything to do with the parties playing politics. Even the explanation S & P gave for the recent downgrade had everything to do with our government's inability to come to an agreement when EVERYTHING is at stake. It's all about politics now. How very sad. The US used to stand for something. Now it's all about how we can't do things.
Buzz Beeler
2:48 am on Monday, August 22, 2011
And Bart who is in power now? The other day you were all for the leadership in the county, remember?
Why don't you ride over to Breentwood Ave. and the Bread and Cheese Creek and tell them what a wonderful job John is doing. I'm sure they would receive you with open arms. After all the problem has only been going on for at least 15 years and nothing has been done.
They can't find the time or money to fix a flooding problem that has festered for over a decade, but they can pay out million dollar pensions and travel to OC.
Name one project to come out of that junket?
Do you know what the percentage of the GDP is to the debt, or how about the interest on the debt. What about the trade deficit and its impact on jobs?
Next you can explain the financial crisis in Europe and how that will impact us?
You are right on one thing though, it is all about politics and not about leadership.
Ask Robert Armstrong to help you, the one who lies constantly about his military career, three college degrees and 6 languages he speaks. Comparing someone to a Nazi without any evidence is just about as crass as one can get.
His quote of: "Whatever happened to that Teabagger that ran for office in Ohio thAt like to dress up as a Nazi?". I can't quite make out that word "thAT." Must be part of his thesis paper on being a juvenile delinquent.
Tom Barnes
5:58 am on Monday, August 22, 2011
The whole "Owemalley" name calling thing?... It's old and it's EXTREMELY juvenile. These are the people we allow to vote? Frankly, I don't want 2 year old personalities voting on anything in this country. They continuiously prove that they lack any sense of maturity whatsoever.
Bart
7:35 am on Monday, August 22, 2011
To save everybody the pain of Beeler going off the rails again, I will not respond to his rambling diatribe.
But I must confess, I DID hear Michael Steele, late of the leadership post of the Republcan Party, state that we should be sending troops to Central Africa to aid with the famine. Yeah, that's just what we need: ANOTHER war. And it would be a war, since the group El Shabab is keeping all foreign aid out of the area.
Robert Armstrong
9:04 am on Monday, August 22, 2011
Bueller, maybe you can Goggle (sic) "Rich Iott" the Tea Party candidate and "Young Gun" from Ohio.
I gave you the link but obviously the old Commodore must be having trouble opening it.
Ed Jr.
6:08 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
Robert Armstrong, is that your real name? You are a real tool. Are you an operative for Rachael Madcow?
Buzz Beeler
11:42 am on Monday, August 22, 2011
You start acting like an adult and I'll look at the link. How am I supposed to know who you're are talking to? You have a habit of referring to others using the R word and yet you constantly slur people.
What site is "Goggle."? (sic) I don't have trouble reading links, it's just your writing I can't understand. If you meant to say Google then why not use your delete key and correct it? That way you won't have to use the term (sic) as it applies to your mistake.
You want everyone to accept your links as truth, yet when someone uses one like Fox or You Tube, you pan it as being racist. What is even stranger, you use both of them yourself.
I would expect something a little more sophisticated from a person who claims to hold three college degrees and speak 6 languages.
By the way you made the statement you belong to a country club and observe politicans there. What club do you have a membership with?
Buzz Beeler
12:14 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
Bart, generally the way this blog works is that someone, (meaning you) makes a comment in the first person, and then others respond in kind.
You made the following comment: "It's all about politics now. How very sad. The US used to stand for something.".
Now, as I said the way this works is after you have your say, others are entitled to theirs, unless you want take editorial control of the site and your voice is the only one heard.
I asked some very adult and pointed questions regarding your comment requiring an answer that went beyond the word "tirade." In retrospect that would require some effort and research and I should have known better to ask such questions.
Bart
12:38 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
I do not DEMAND that someone give me an answer. I have a right to my opinion, as you do. The topic is O'Malley calling for budget cuts and tax increases. That is the topic of just about every state in the union and the Federal Government.
And, last I checked, this wasn't a Blog, the Patch asks for comments. I am making comments. End of story.
Lisa
12:22 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
Please like he is going to answer your questions. Who cares what he says I rather ignore him then give him any of my time. You can't have a grown up conversation with him because he likes to have temper tantrums he loses all creditability in my opinion
Carole Miller
9:37 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
Omally Obama ..same people . Cant stand either one . Tax and spend .
I hate Maryland ,cant leave, but hate it.
rick j
7:53 am on Tuesday, August 23, 2011
if you just knew where the money is going.Cannot be going to roads.Majority of roads in the East Baltimore area are shock busters.Schools?Read that only 27% graduate from school in Baltimore City.Cannot be going for more police to stop the ever rasing crime.Cannot be going to create jobs.Unemployment rate is going up.So where does the money go.That is the problem.No accountability.Only so many eggs can come from the golden goose before she gives up too.But they do not care.
Neil B
8:08 am on Tuesday, August 23, 2011
I agree. How can they justify needing more money when everything is suck a mess.
Butch Jansen
3:22 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
Infrastructure improvements were suppose to have been a big part of the first Obama stimulus plan which he lauded there would be "plenty of jobs created from these shovel ready projects." Oh, but wait, he just recently ADMITTED that the projects weren't in fact "shovel ready as he had thought." So where did all that stimulus money then go? Hmmmmm!!!!!!!!
Butch Jansen
3:17 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."
- Abraham Lincoln
Tom Barnes
3:41 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
That's all godo and fine, Butch, but there is a failed logic in America. To date, that logic has been "if we give the wealthy all kinds of breaks then they will create jobs." So I ask: 'WHERE ARE THOSE JOBS?'
The weathly should NOT have loopholes or tax breaks that are not given to the middle class and the poor. This is WHY there was a revolution in the 1917 in Russia. Do we need that again but this time on our shores? Think about it.
Tim
5:02 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
Trickle Down Economics has been proven time and again, over the past 3 decades, to be an irrelevant and thus failure of an economic policy.
It hasn't made the economy inherently worse over time, but it hasn't improved economic growth (defined by GDP) either. It's effects are limited solely to benefitting the rich.
Serriously, look no further then last year. Repubc demanded President Obama extend the BTC's for the wealthy. They claimed "It'll create jobs!". So the President gives in. Job creation? LOL. Nowhere to be found. Then they simply turn around and blame the President for spending too much.
Robert Armstrong
3:39 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
The DOE used the money to hire a almost a hundred thousand people.