Hairston: Larger Class Sizes Due to Economy
After eliminating 196 positions in this year's budget, school officials respond to reports that class sizes have gone up significantly at the high school level.
Baltimore County Public Schools Superintendent Joe Hairston Tuesday night defended the loss of 196 teaching positions, resulting in larger high school class sizes, saying he had no alternative given state and county budgets.
Hairston told the Baltimore County Board of Education at its meeting in Towson that the economy has forced tough decisions.
"We have no control over the economy. We have no control over the budget," Hairston said to members of the board. "We preserved our employees."
The school system's budget did not include furloughs or layoffs and had to account for an increase in insurance costs and a small pay raise for teachers.
Hairston and several school staff said that eliminating positions was the only way to balance a budget in a time when state and county funding to public schools was essentially flat.
Barbara Burnopp, the chief financial officer for Baltimore County Public Schools, said that when the board passed the budget for the current fiscal year in 2011, it wasn't expecting an increase in funding from the county or the state. The projections hold true for this year as well, she said.
"We have three years at Maintenance-of-Effort budget," she said, referring to the minimum amount of funding that counties are required by law to give school systems.
"That, considering some of our fellow counties, is good," she said.
An article in the Baltimore Sun last week reported that class sizes have grown in Baltimore County after the school system cut the 196 teaching positions for the current fiscal year.
Assistant Superintendent Donald Peccia said a total of 31 positions were given at the elementary school level to accommodate an additional 500 students who enrolled at the elementary level across the county. Although positions were eliminated through attrition, Peccia said that compared to last year, staffing is up by 51 positions at the high school level.
Also this year, the number of Advanced Placement classes offered at the high school level has increased from 410 to 429 classes, he said.
Hairston said that the decisions the school system made were responsible.
"What is the alternative, given the fact that we're one of the most stable school systems in the entire country given our scope and scale," he said.
Baltimore County Public Schools is the 26th largest school system in the nation.
Board members affirmed Hairston's remarks, also adding that the situation could be worse for Baltimore County.
Board member David Uhlfelder quoted an article in The New York Times about school districts in Texas in which teachers were cleaning classrooms several times a week due to cutbacks in custodial staff.
"We have an economic crisis. As a board, we chose the issue that affect the less people," he said. "I can't visualize our teachers sweeping the classrooms and putting the trash out."
Board President Lawrence Schmidt said that he would at least like some study of the effect of larger class sizes on student performance.
"Ultimately I think we're a data-driven system. Although maybe intutively, larger class sizes are not desirable, it's incumbent on us as a system to figure out what large class sizes mean to the kids," he said.
Chuck
12:49 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Did he bring Antero Pietela's book with him again ? Can't forget the crutch......
Buzz Beeler
9:13 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
How soon we forget! The no bid contract and what was that name of his associates teaching approach.
I'm sure at that level the word accountability is defined.
K Blue
12:12 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
With all of the upcoming school construction, I sure hope they have reexamined and revised the "policies" that reportedly caused a loss of $7 million connected to the construction of Milford Mill.
Stuart Merenbloom
10:17 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
I am sure that most people are NOT aware of the amount of money that is WASTED by BCPS each year. There are textbooks sitting unused in warehouses because of mis-communication; staff is NOT allowed to purchase needed items, such as textbooks, from venders who BCPS does NOT deal with ( for example: a science text that COULD have been bought for $28.00 per copy from vender "B" was NOT bought because BCPS had to buy them from vendor "A" for three times as much. There are curriculum that was purchased from an outside vendor sitting unused in warehouses. Why in the name of G-d would BCPS buy a curriculum, at a large sum I'm sure, and have it just sit in a warehouse? Why in the name of G-d would BCPS have to buy a curriculum at all when they have an Office of Curriculum as well as dozens of professionals who SHOULD be able to assess the educational needs/content/benchmarks etc. of a subject area and then create its OWN curriculum. Lastly, the board goes on a retreat yearly to meet-at a non-BCPS location..$$$spent on hotels, food and transportation...what's wrong with meeting at Greenwood? No $$ for teachers??
K Blue
9:29 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
I remember reading about the large order of outdated grammar books that occurred because someone in admin dropped the ball (Dezmon I think) and okay'ed the order without sufficiently reviewing it. I dont think those books were ever returned. I also remember reading that there were at least 7 Assistant Superintendents making about $150,000 each. There is also a position titled Assistant to the Assistant Superintendent and that position pays about $100,000. Question I have is how many Assistants to the Assistant Superintendents are there -- one for every Assistant Superintendent, or more than one? If I am not mistaken, the head of Curriculum position has more or less been a revolving door. We just finished paying an exhorbitant salary for an inexperienced Deputy Superintendent who spent less than a year with BCPS before applying for 2 Superintendent positions and eventually landing one in Howard County, so that was money wasted if you ask me. They need to be more selective in who they choose to replace the outgoing Deputy (if anyone) and get a firm commitment that they will not cut-and-run within 'x' number of years or use the position strictly as a resume builder. As for the yearly Board retreat, I recall reading that the most recent meeting was not held off-site as in years past, but on-site.
Harry Callahan
10:17 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
I'm sick of hearing all of this hand wringing about class sizes. When I graduated from grade school at a parochial school in Baltimore City in 1962 we had 63 students in each of 3 eigth grade classes. In high school, there were between 40-50 students in each class. We never had any problems leaning anything despite these large class sizes. Maybe it was because my parents and the parents of everyone in my class all had high expectations of them and all of the parents demonstrated a high degree of interest in our education. I was the first person in my father's and mother's family to graduate from high school and college.
JDStuts
5:11 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Ahem.
eighth not 'eigth'
'We never had any problems learning anything despite these large class sizes.' Poorly written. Also should be 'in spite of' not 'despite' which is more a colloquialism.
'...had high expectations of them...' Subject/pronoun disconnect.
'I was' Incorrect, should be 'I am.'
See the issue now?
wilson
5:21 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
jus cause we dont speak good or spell like you . dont mean we ain't smart to .
Other Tim
5:47 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
JDStuts:
All of your comments are "poorly written". You have run on sentences and missing commas, you started a sentence with lower case, etc.
Also, according to Dictionary.com, the first definition of "despite" is "in spite of".
Glass houses, my friend.
Evets
7:10 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
eye shorely wish eye wud of gotten the edgucation that Mr. JDStuts got himself. Thats sum fine skoolin'! Y, eye betcha he gots one of them pee-h-dees, u no, so's he can call himself "Dokter." i am sinceerly jelus.
Perry Hall Mom
11:24 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
The school system wastes a lot of money and throws away a lot for stuff never even opened. I had a friend who worked in maintenance for BCPS and he told us of all the stuff that was thrown away. Why not have an auction and make some money for the schools. The kids in school who are not in the top classes are the kids who suffer with larger classes. The teachers don't have time for the students and they never get there questions answered. I have a child in a gt class at Perry Hall High and the classes are so big the teacher doesn't have time for all her students and I here about it weekly. BCPS does not care about the kids just about their ranking. If you can't afford more teachers then get rid of the bad teachers and get some teachers who know what they are doing. The county is full of bad teachers. It is not just teachers it is administrators, athletic directors and coaches. I have 3 more years at BCPS and I am already counting down the days when I don't have to deal with them anymore.
Anonymous
10:01 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Amen...I have a daughter graduating this year and she can't wait to get out of Perry Hall High.
Bonnie Busta
11:30 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Why not try and get rid of the bureaucrats that bloat the system., and oh yes, what about the exorbitant salary going to the new superintendent? Whatever happened to the simpler and way more efficient system we had in the fifties and sixties? The situation is absolutely appalling
K Blue
12:10 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
There needs to be a top-to-bottom audit of every contract for textbooks and materials and an up-to-date inventory. We live in a competitive society. There is no justification, other than laziness, for not carefully scrutinizing and perhaps justifying long-standing contracts with particular vendors in these lean times. They should also examine each outside lease they hold for space and look closely at their vehicle inventory and maintenance.
Luthervillan
11:22 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
I couldn't agree more! Talk about the federal and state governments not communicating properly? It happens in this system daily! LAZY is the name of the game in Baltimore County. It sickens me to think this is going to be allowed but they are projecting to hire as many as 400 elementary school teachers.
K Blue
12:18 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Unfortunately, neither Baltimore County government (executive or legislative) nor the the state legislators have any control over the school system. That power is vested in the school board fully appointed by the Governor and in the State Superintendent, none of whom are elected. The local officials can try to persuade the local school system and/or the school board, but they have zero power to enforce. The only way at this point to have done what needs to be done is if the Superintendent or board want it done. Hopefully, that will change next legislative session.
Lily
7:57 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
K Blue
That's not true. We can pester the state until they give us the hybrid elected/appointed board we deserve. The recent bill failed because the board did not want changes made during the hiring of the new Superintendent. Well that's done now. We need at least part of the board to be elected officials.
K Blue
10:15 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Lily, I am not quite sure which part(s) of my comment you believe is untrue. It is my understanding that the recent hybrid bill failed, not because of the reasons you suggest (which caused a delay in bringing the bill to final vote), but because time literally ran out on the last day of session. Reportedly, it was the next bill in line for a vote, but time expired. Hopefully, the vote will come up next session. But, unless you know something I do not, at present neither the AG, the state legislators, the local legislators or the County Executive have enforceable power or authority over the Board or the Superintendent on school system issues.
Lily
9:17 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
K Blue,
You seemed to imply that since no one has authority over the school board etc that there is nothing we can do. That was the part I thought was untrue. We should be solidly pushing for that hybrid board because that's the only accountability within grasp.
Really the time just ran out? Somehow I misunderstood that fact. That's awesome if they don't have to start over from scratch with the whole process and can pick it up next season.
K Blue
1:04 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Lily, I will try to find the article about the final result of the hybrid bill and post it here. Time literally ran out. It was bottled up in committee for the longest time because of opposition outside the County delegations, then on the last day of the session, those in our County delegations were able to get it out of committee around 11pm, but because of the concentration on the budget bill in those final hours it never came to a vote. It was next on the list. Midnight came and it died. It is my understanding that the hybrid bill will be among the first to be put in next session. Originally, the House and the Senate put in differing bills: one called for a fully elected, the other for a hybrid. Eventually, a compromise was reached by both chambers for the hybrid. If it had come to a vote, it would have passed. It had the necessary support, or so I am led to believe.
K Blue
1:07 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Lily, here is a good synopsis.
www.catonsville.patch.com/blog_posts/final-push-for-school-board-bill
K Blue
1:10 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
And this,
www.catonsville.patch.com/articles/baltimore-county-elected-school-board-bill-dies
Paul Amirault
5:07 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
A compelling argument could be made that the most unaccountable figure in Baltimore County government is the superintendent of public schools. The superintendent controls 50% of the entire tax collections of the county and basically can do whatever he wants. Hmmm.
Donna McDonough
5:56 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
I too had large classes in the 60's and I learned in spite of them. BUT I am an elementary school teacher in BCPS and proud parent of 2 graduates who completed college. Things have changed since the 60's when many moms were home to help with homework and volunteer in the schools. Even with my own children, there were fewer distractions for kids and more stay at home parents. Today's kids are raised on tv and video games so they do not learn to sit still and persevere by reading, playing games, or play with friends to learn conflict resolution skills. They learn to do things and get info in short bursts. So the large classes of the past were doable with kids who could sit still and pay attention. Today, it is not uncommon to have 50-75% of a class with serious attentional issues. Try putting 40 kids who can't pay attend with one teacher. I can give you anecdotal evidence of this. Teachers make a difference, textbooks and bureaucrats rarely do!
Bonnie Busta
8:22 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Amen.
Lily
7:59 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Donna I agree.
Ann Isenhower
11:28 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
The themes of 12 years of articles about the BCPS are as follows: lack of transparency in decision making; wasteful spending; no coordination among the departments e.g. those who write curriculum and those who purchase curriculum; executive staff and salaries; an appointed board vs.an elected board. I add these examples of the continual rationale urging the public to support whatever decision is made by the board. Ex. 1."That, considering some of our fellow counties, is good," she( Barbara Burnopp) said. Ex. 2: "... David Uhlfelder quoted an article in The New York Times about school districts in Texas in which teachers were cleaning classrooms several times a week due to cutbacks in custodial staff." This adolescent rationale (Yeah, I got drunk at the party, I'm not as bad as Jon across the street!), is insulting. I can think of no worse school system than one that doesn't realize the same problems persist in 2012 that were present in 2000. My son graduated this spring from an out of state liberal arts college ranked in the top 20 in the nation. He said it best, "I went to private school for the first 8 years of my education and chose to go to a BCPS for H.S. to broaden my experience and take AP classes. I realized my freshman year in college that my time attending this well thought of BCPS high school was a 4 year break from education. My daughter graduates next week; I am glad to be done. Ann Isenhower
JD1
11:32 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Just a couple of insights from an insider:
It's actually the top kids that suffer from large classes - gt classes are usually busting at the seams because extra staffing is used to teach the bottom kids to improve MSA scores. Top kids score well so the admin sets them as a low priority.
There is TONS of waste and surplus - unfortunately by law the system can't hold "yard sales" to recoup loses.
It's actually alot cheaper to purchase curriculum that has been field tested and validated. It costs a ton to pay teachers to write and revise curriculum. In addition, it is a SLOW Process. There is a detailed protocol in place now that requires two years to fully implement a new curriculum. More red tape and BS than you can imagine.
Paul is right - the super has a free ticket .
BCPS has gotten too big to effectively manage. It should be broken down into five areas NE, NW, Central, SE and SW. Each area has a very unique set of needs that aren't getting met with the current system.
Tim
11:49 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Interesting thoughts.
Stuart Merenbloom
9:25 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
All of the above bibkerring about grammar/spelling etc. is a waste of time as this is a forum; not a test. The two primary problems with ALL education are the over-all lack of respect for teachers and the accountability placed on teachers. American teachers get no respect from the average citizen. In other countries, teachers are viewed in the same light as doctors/laywers etc..The accountability issue places undue stress/pressure on our teachers. They are now evaluated (a large %) according to how well their students do on the standard tests that the kids have to take in order to graduate. A teacher can NOT go into Johnny's home and make him study/do homework/work on projects etc. Accountability is fine in industry; if you make a toaster and it doesn't work, then it is YOUR fault. If Johnny fails the MSA because he doe not give a damn and his parents can not control him-it's the teachers fault?
Stuart Merenbloom
9:27 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Yeah...I spelt bickerring rong...mist b cause i wents to skool in baltimore city hon
Evets
9:01 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
I think it is just great to be held accountable for student achievement. On Tuesday, I gave a test with 25 selected response questions (they used to be called multiple choice). I first handed out the scantron forms, you know, with the bubbles to fill in. Then I started handing out the tests and noted that 3 students had already finished bubbling in their answers! Before they even had the test! And I am to be evaluated on their test scores. It is a wonderful life...
Stuart Merenbloom
6:23 am on Friday, May 25, 2012
It is just another example of that old attage" FLUNK NOW......AVOID THE JUNE RUSH".
I am really glad I am no longer teaching...I did sp. ed. and my last group had to take the MSA with accommodations...still an up hill battle...really not fair to use student performance/achievement to evaluate teachers...those teachers who have AP or GT classes kind of have a lead over those who do sp.ed or basic classes.