County SAT Scores Lag Behind State, Country
The school system saw increases in both SAT and AP exam scores since 2011.
The school system saw higher scores in the SAT and AP exams for 2012, but Baltimore County is still trailing behind the national and state SAT average.
Early data showed a 17-point gain in the combined countywide mean SAT score, from 1,459 points in 2011 to 1,476 points in 2012 on a 2,400-point scale, according to a Baltimore County Public Schools news release. However, participation on the test dipped from 60.1 percent to 57.5 percent of all students.
By comparison, the state had a mean of 1,487 points and the country 1,498 points, the release reads. Despite the higher means, the state fell five points from 2011 and the country 2 points.
On the AP exams, the percentage of diploma-bound seniors scoring 3 points or higher on the 5 point tests increased from 64.4 percent in 2011 to 67.4 percent in 2012, school system officials said. The percentage of students taking the tests also rose from 36.6 percent to 37.8 percent.
The state saw a 5.4 percent increase in the number of AP exams taken from 2011 to 2012, according to a Maryland State Department of Education news release. Although 116,614 tests were taken in 2012, the percentage of those receiving scores of 3 to 5 increased nearly 10 percent.
Maryland has ranked first in the country for success on the AP exams for the past four years, the state's release reads. The College Board will release the 2012 standings in early 2013.
Tim
9:31 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Probably the lack of A/C in schools. School year is too short as it is, much less making kids deal with an uncomfortable learning environment for 10-15% of that year.
PerryHallCrafter
7:59 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
I can count on less than one hand the number of full school weeks the kids have had this year so far. They always have three day weekends and those convenient "professional days" tacked on a Monday or Friday when there's a holiday weekend. Last week? Four day week. This week? Four day week. The constant interruption of learning, coupled with tremendous class size and "teach to the test" rushing of concepts is ruining our children. The SATs have never meant as much to many as they do to those profiting from them anyway.
I did snicker when I read your "probably the lack of A/C in schools". While I didn't have it growing up during all 12 years (of private school no less), we didn't have 25+ students crammed into the room either and we didn't go to school in August or June.
Evets
9:15 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Maybe instead of sorting the scores by race/gender/etc, the scores should be sorted by students who attended 12 years in an AC school and those who had to 'suffer' in a school w/o AC...
Other Tim
2:18 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Off today for Yom Kippur.
John MaCabe
2:24 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
AP class sizes have gone up because schools are pushing kids into those classes just so the numbers go up! I bet the average score would rise if the students who are the true AP students were taking the test rather than students who were put in the class to make the numbers look better.
JD1
3:54 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
These stats really don't reflect on the quality of instruction or caliber of student performance - see article: http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/20/the-advanced-placement-juggernaut/
Parents and schools are placing tons of kids in AP courses that simply can't handle the rigorous coursework; however, teachers are retaining kids and passing them along since there is pressure to inflate grades. Most kids take the course but don't take the test because they know that they don't have a chance in hell in scoring a 3 or better and it costs $80 per test, $40 for the review book ...etc (multiply that by 116,614 and you'll understand why the College Board isin the education business). Many systems (I.e. you and me) subsidize the cost of the test for "high need" students. Based on the article, taking these courses doesn't really mean much to colleges or college success. Just another education cash cow that sounds great but doesn't mean much in the big picture. It's the teacher that makes the difference - not the name of the course.
Tony Solesky
7:48 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Very well put JD1. It is so funny how people get a issue they are familiar with and can always find the flaw but will turn to the next article in the paper on a issue they are not familiar with and take it as gospel. In the end it is all about the money and the way of the world in the US is to first create the market/issue and then simply market to it. I know salemen that get it and do it but because most people are compartmentalized thinkers they never see how it applies to all things. Look how public schools are being forced in to erroding. Yes their is a purpose behind it, it creates a market for revitalization and the oh so fashionable special needs and feed the poor pro-scams. All sold to us who support it for the right reasons and then abused and oversold for financial reasons
Tony Solesky
8:03 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Yesterday Obama gave speech that I thought was near flawless yet he did nothing more then refrain from up holding the principles of our country for the last 4 years all to come in and then sell us on our own ideals just before an election. That said I believe that is also true of every President and controling party not just Obama yesterday is just the most recent example. The system is broken and for something to get broken it had to work at one time. Now we are in the lets fix it phase historically
that stage is always a constant. for those seeking election. America needs at a minimum a third party. regardless of their platform . It is the only way to keep the two controlling parties in check. when the independent party and the Republican party take over then the Democratic party will be the way to go and so on, It must stay in flux that way to be effective in any real way. Forsure even the independent party and tea parties will be corrupted as they come into power and attract their on vermon
Jon
9:30 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Exactly!! What better way to increase our students SAT and AP scores than to elect an Independent candidate! /s
I'm just picking on you Tony, but I am going to be so glad when election season is over.
Tony Solesky
10:07 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Jon,
You will get even more shots at me in 2014 as I intend to run for county executive and don't worry all of my releases will be copy editied. I have never had a problem with substanative and cojent thought just spelling and if you don't know what to say the other is mute anyway. My son scored a 2130 on his SAT and then dropped out of Towson after the first semester. He was crushed by what a joke the education system was contrasted against his expectations. The kid speaks three languages and has a great musical mind. google Jimmy Solesky Youtube.
Parkvillehoney
11:11 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Tony, I would love to see a strong 3rd party. The problem is the "lemmings" will vote Democrat or Republican because of their brainwashing. My parents always voted Democrat no matter who the candidate. Their belief was Democrats are for the poor; Republicans are for the rich. This is the mind set of a lot of voters. People don't vote issues, they vote party. I hope this changes in the future.
Michael Carnahan
8:35 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Is it possible that we can occasionally focus on the positive? Why does the headline of the article read, "County SAT Scores Lag Behind State, Country" instead of "County SAT Scores Gain 17 Points"? Or maybe it could have read, "County SAT Scores Jump 17 Points, State and Country Fall Behind", which might be a comfort to those who read the news for the negative factor. Let's try to find the positives :)
Evets
8:47 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Mr. Carnahan, you make a good point.
M. Sullivan
9:02 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
The SATs are almost worthless anymore. Many colleges have even stopped requiring them. The test has been so dumbed down over the years that almost anyone can do well on it.
Evets
9:13 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Has any college ever actually 'required' SATs? I never took them (30 some years ago) and I was easily accepted for enrollment at 3 colleges, including William and Mary. No mention was ever made about a lack of SAT scores. I have always believed that the SATs (and ACTs) are simply money makers.
JD1
9:14 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Not exactly true - my kids is filling out college applications right now and every one requires SAT scores and have minimum requirements (although some are quite low).
JD1
9:16 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
I think many private colleges use them as a simple and objective tool to screen out a certain percentage of applicants
Evets
10:37 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
When I filled out college applications, I simply left the areas for SAT/ACT scores blank.
Jon
9:34 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
At first glance, I thought that 1,476 was an amazingly good score. Back when I took the SAT, 1600 was the maximum. Then I saw that the maximum score is now 2,400... ouch.
M. Sullivan
10:17 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Jon, and this is on a test that has been dumbed-down several times over the years for the benefit of some who could never get a decent score on the original.
JD1
10:54 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Sad but true ... But hey remember that Maryland has the "best" schools and graduation rates in the country according to Martin O'M. Do I smell a slight disconnect??
Tim
2:08 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
1476? That's not even a real score is it? I thought all the scores ended in 0.
1470 is ridiculously good though for that scale. My score was 1320 and I recall that percentile was in the mid 90s.
M. Sullivan
2:32 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Tim, 1476 is a mean score, so it won't necessarily end in 0. If your score was 1320, what was the max? In addition to dumbing the test down, they have also increased the maximum points.
Tim
2:45 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
MS: This was almost 20 years ago. 1600 was the max.
Both of my test scores ended in multiples of 10, and don't recall anyone else at the time having something different. As you mention, the tests have changed, likely several times over the past couple decades.
Nothing like feeling old :)
M. Sullivan
3:11 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Hey Tim, mine was something over 1300 over 30 years ago, but I had forgotten about it and was drinking much beer the night before. I'm amazed I even remembered at the last minute. Check Wikipedia for the ridiculous history of this test. I'm amazed anyone still accepts it.
Tony Solesky
12:51 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Parkville Honey, It is going to change because that generation is dieing off. Many older people that do that (not all) will say I hope I live to see it and never realize they are the reason it doesnt. The good news is right now in Baltimore County they are down to less then 1/3 participation in local elections. A independent has appeal to 2/3 of the voting block and could pull rep and dem that domn't vote cross party to a neutral party. This is what I hope to do in my bid. Reps and Dems can't get any body on the outside off of the sofa and continue to pander to a 1/3 minority voting block that gets smaller each passing day
Tracey
2:44 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
tim's score was out of 1600. They are certainly required for college applications.The third section is a writing sample. They are one of many criteria for admission and frankly the weight put on it is different for different colleges. Since it is a national test, it is more representative of a student's capability as opposed to their class rank, which has little meaning if they went to a dinky private school that graduated 10 people. Kids who are homeschooled have no rank, and frankly they are better students at the college level.
Tony Solesky
2:55 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Tracey according to my son when he took the SAT in the writing section he anwsered the question in a very succinct way and he scored a 1860. He was encouraged to go back and take it again and in the writing section increase the volume of the essay. His second time he scored a 2130 and he told me that if he took it again he was certain he would score a 2300 or better. As it was 2130 was in the 93% tile. The whole education system has become a scam that places vaule on the cost of education not the quality of it. I have never figured out why Towson and so many other coleges allows the partying and outragious behavior of students until I realized it is money not education they seek. parents pay all this money for a piece of paper that cost more then any job it will get You. Invest the money in a trust and let your kid go to community college. Both move would show inteligence and understanding cost to value ratios applied in a real world economy.